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1 posted on 07/24/2010 4:48:09 PM PDT by dennisw
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Not really all that accurate. I think the author could stand to read the section about the Puritans in Fischer's Albion's Seed: The Four British Folkways in America. Further, trying to coopt the covenants of Israel as the Puritans did (and many of today's Calvinists still do) is a very far cry from saying that they were more "Jewish" than "Protestant."
2 posted on 07/24/2010 4:52:31 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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I appreciate their part in the founding of this nation...but I wouldn’t have wanted to live among them. They seemed a grim, humorless bunch.


3 posted on 07/24/2010 4:53:23 PM PDT by balch3
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I think they would NOT

1. Have en bloc voted democratic
2. Been mostly atheist
3. Supported abortion
4. Supported suppresion of religion in the public sphere

So, more likely they were Israeli but certainly not American Jewish, a group that has forgotten mostly about its covenant with God. Many (majority) of American Jews think they are an “ethnicity” as opposed to the CHOSEN TRIBE that made a covenant with GOD

Go Israel! Go Israeli Jews!
NO GO American Jews


5 posted on 07/24/2010 4:59:41 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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All bibles are Jewish.. and all the first christians were Jewish..
Little wonder cause GOD is Jewish..
6 posted on 07/24/2010 5:01:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: dennisw

Interesting but I need to think about this as I never before heard it.


10 posted on 07/24/2010 5:03:27 PM PDT by fso301
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That is the stupidest concept for an article and a huge leap of premise.

They were not more Jewish than ????

Nor were they going to find parity with Jews, a separate and distinct religion, who would not find anything about Christianity part of their doctrine or fulfillment of prophecy, even today.

(did I just make a run on sentence?)


13 posted on 07/24/2010 5:06:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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They didn’t look Jewish.


15 posted on 07/24/2010 5:10:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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Let’s not confuse the Puritans (think John Kerry) of Mass Bay & Salem Colony and the more liberal Pilgrims of the Plimouth Colony.


16 posted on 07/24/2010 5:10:40 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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you know there is a bias when they are described as being “obsessed with the bible.” a true christian should be. it is our guide for daily and eternal living. i have great respect for the puritans—i doubt they were a humorless lot....they were maligned and persecuted. had they not left, i bet they would have been killed eventually.


21 posted on 07/24/2010 5:27:49 PM PDT by applpie
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Judaism and Christianity are two very different religions, having two very different Gods. In fact, Judaism has more in common with Islam than Christianity.

The monotheism of Judaism and Islam is very similar, the montheism of Christianity is very different. Yahweh and Allah were remote, distant, impassable, deities, in Christianity, God became out savior - which is what the name Jesus means. Yah-shua, God (is become our) savior.

The type of monotheism of the Puritans was Christian, not Jewish or Islamic.


27 posted on 07/24/2010 7:20:35 PM PDT by sasportas
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The Puritans were obsessed with the Bible and came to identify their political struggle against England with that of the ancient Hebrews against Pharaoh or the King of Babylon.

Not just the Puritans, the Founders as well. The First Committee's design for the Great Seal of the U.S. was suggested by Benjamin Franklin.

Benjamin Franklin's proposal for the reverse is preserved in a note of his own handwriting: "Moses standing on the Shore, and extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh who is sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his Head and a Sword in his Hand. Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Clouds reaching to Moses, to express that he acts by Command of the Deity.

"Motto, Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."

 

28 posted on 07/24/2010 7:50:23 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: dennisw
All very true (except for the "democracy" thing).

Now if people would just stop assuming that today's New England liberals are the ideological heirs of the Puritans when they're not. The Upper South is.

30 posted on 07/24/2010 7:56:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (. . . Lo' `al-halechem levaddo yichyeh ha'adam, ki `al-kol-motza' fi HaShem yichyeh ha'adam.)
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Are modern day Unitarians the religious descendants of the Puritans?


39 posted on 07/24/2010 9:01:34 PM PDT by SuziQ
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These settlers found themselves in a New World which had no existing laws or govern-ment.

Well, considering that "Virginia" reached to the Hudson at the time, and the Virginia House of Burgesses was established in 1618, this statement is false even if limited to governments of English settlers, let alone the Iroquois Confederacy.

The Puritans didn't blunder into Cape Cod and what was later named Plymouth, due to a navigational error by the way, until several years afterward.

Where were they headed and where was their land charter? Virginia. Settled since 1607. This petty regionalism over who gets bragging rights has always struck me as peculiar, given the historical record available for all to see.

43 posted on 07/24/2010 10:13:59 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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I think Protestants of antiquity were more like Jews of antiquity...relatively speaking.

Zero compatibility today.

Modern Jews this side of Dan Lapin and Mark Levin detest anything but kumbaya Protestants and their culture.

Funny though..they both ran like the dickens together from Catholicism.

that they share for sure

Torquemeda meets St. Barts day.

But nearly all modern Protestants love Jews and Israel and many have covet Jewishishness just short of Israelism...inclduing a fair number of freepers.

Being directly from the book carries weight.

45 posted on 07/24/2010 11:21:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (i miss puroresu...did he do something real bad?)
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More accurately the Puratins were what we'd call suprersessionists today. They certainly wouldn't have allowed a Jew to live amongst them, they weren't New Amsterdam Dutch after all.

51 posted on 07/25/2010 12:46:38 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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It’s a good article and touches on a topic which is becoming more and more difficult to research.


53 posted on 07/25/2010 5:26:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Most of what the author is referring to is better placed as the “style”, the “symbolic practices”, the “church and society governance practices’ and not the theology of the Puritans.

In the ways they looked back to the Old Testament leaders, prophets and symbols, it came from how worldly, and how entwined with the secular they believed that both the Catholic Church and the Anglican Church had become.

To “purify’ the faith they had to remove the pagan, secular and corrupt trappings that had been appended to the faith practice during the previous 1500 years.

To the puritans, in their belief that the experience with God could be engaged without the intercession of “church officials”, but directly, on a personal level, they believed themselves to be continuing the covenants God made with Israel, covenants fulfilled in the person of Jesus, covenants continued, directly, by Jesus immediate disciples. Did that make some of their behavior look “Old Testament”? Maybe. But, their theology was not. It was Christian.


56 posted on 07/26/2010 9:19:27 PM PDT by Wuli
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