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To: dagogo redux

“I am not crazy about the spin the NYT and others are putting on this, but the facts need the light of day, and I’m glad for that. “

Except that is why this information was released or the intent of the information they released. They released this to show how evil America is.


37 posted on 07/25/2010 4:40:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I suppose, then - and I’m not trying to be cute by pulling a Clinton - that we will need to define “America”.

If by “America” we mean We The People, and the traditions and philosophies that have often flowed from those who crafted our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, then no, I do not think America is evil.

If, by extension, “America” is a term used to signify our brave and patriotic military combatants, who swore an oath, and mean to keep their oath, to that America, then I also do not think America is evil.

If, however, by “America” one is referring to the corporate Federal government and its recent and increasingly progressive/Marxist administrations, congresses and judiciary, then I think “America” is indeed evil, and that, to me, is what the disclosure of this information shows.

Think about it. Since World War Two, our military has never been allowed to fight in a declared war, nor one that we were allowed to win. The military has not been allowed any total victories, has not been allowed to truly vanquish any foe, has not been allowed to bring an enemy to the point of total, unconditional surrender.

“America,” as so defined, has used our precious military men and women as mere tools of global political or economic masters. They have not died for America, but for a global political and economic elite. We fought North Koreans, Vietnamese, Somalians, Iragis, Afghans and others - did we vanquish any of them, or obtain an unconditional surrender from any of them? Did our military, because of their sacrifices in these conflicts, in any way make our country safer, or increase our standing - economic or otherwise - in the world? Those who died have died for nothing except a quaint, naive idea that is obsolete in the halls of our government, an idea mocked for decades now by the ruling elite when they think no one is lsitening. That progressive, global elite - Dems AND Republicans - if that’s what people refer to when they say “America”, then yes - that America is truly evil.


58 posted on 07/25/2010 7:56:35 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: driftdiver

“They released this to show how evil America is.”

I think the publishers acted like publishers always tend to act: if they think it’s a good story, they publish it That’s their business. As far as showing that America is evil, from what I read, the material tends to show that the war is very difficult to win because of the corruption of the Afghan government. For instance,:

““The people of Afghanistan keep loosing their trust in the government because of the high amount of corrupted government officials,” the report quoted them as saying. “The general view of the Afghans is that the current government is worst than the Taliban.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26warlogs.html?_r=1

The question that comes to my mind in reading through about a half hour of these reports is why were these classified “top secret” in the first place. Well, maybe there was a reason at one time, but it’s hard to see how it hurts our cause now to publish these reports. I see that names have been changed where it might be important. Getting the American public information about the wars it is fighting is an important service of a free press. The government is always trying to restrict the information available to the American public—they don’t want us to see their blunders. That’s why we have the First Amendment.


71 posted on 07/25/2010 11:49:08 PM PDT by freethinker_for_freedom
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