Posted on 07/26/2010 1:39:05 AM PDT by militanttoby
Sarah Palin’s speech to the 2008 Republican convention impressed more than a few doubters, including even some members of Journolist, an online community for liberal journalists.
“This speech is gangbusters,” wrote Ari Melber of the Nation. “Her tone is pitch perfect.” Adele Stan of the Media Consortium agreed: “Palin is golden.”
The exuberance appeared to unnerve the Guardian’s Michael Tomasky. “People get a hold of yourselves!” Tomasky wrote to his fellow Journolisters. “It’s a very good speech with good lines. But there’s very little substance.”
Rebecca Traister of Salon wrote to say she was grateful for Tomasky’s message discipline. (“This is a reassuring sentiment, since at the moment, I feel like we’re in End Times.”) But the rest of the country apparently didn’t agree. Polls a few days later showed Obama’s lead in the race had narrowed to virtually nothing.
Palin’s speech had been remarkably effective. This troubled members of Journolist. On Sept. 8, 2008, five days after Palin’s national debut, some members of the group discussed producing coordinated propaganda designed to wound Palin and boost Obama.
At an appearance in Colorado immediately following the convention, Palin had remarked that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive for the taxpayers,” a point that seems commonplace now, but that at the time struck some as controversial.
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Welcome Back, Dad
I've been trying to convince my fellow conservatives that they have been wasting their time in a fruitless quest for a new Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our party and our nation. I insisted that we'd never see his like again because he was one of a kind. I was wrong! Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he's a she. And what a she! This was Ronald Reagan at his best -- the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as "The Speech," which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP. Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time around.
~Michael Reagan, talk radio host and son of President Ronald Reagan
I watched that speech and it was good. Since then I gave heard conservatives repeat the exact things Journo-baggers said about Palin. The repetition works.
You got that right! bttt
Raw Journolist emails on ‘Palin’s first miscue’
By The Daily Caller 3:47 AM 07/26/2010
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/26/raw-journolist-emails-on-palins-first-miscue/
Adam Doster
Sept 8, 2008, 2:18pm
Misunderstanding housing policy in the midst of a major housing crisis …
Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential
nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” The companies, as McClatchy reported , “aren’t taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in
a taxpayer bailout during reorganization.”
Now, you can all jump on me about how I’m “underestimating VP Palin.” But really? The HuffPo hed is misleading this is not a “gaffe”, it just shows her policy vapidness. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a lot more of these over the next two months.
Adam
Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 2:19pm
But she’s so AUTHENTIC! Authentic non-elitist Americans don’t worry about this stuff, they worry about how to teach their kids how to shoot m-16s and use withdrawal as birth control.
Harold Pollack
Sept 8, 2008, 2:22pm
That quote is too general to be damaging. It would take Dean or Doug Holtz-Eakin about 30 seconds to interpret Palin’s comment in a policy-plausible way.
Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 2:37pm
this is not a gaffe. it’s more likely a lie. suits her big-govt-out-to-screw-ya narrative. and harold’s right; this is too easy for the average voter to accept.
don’t mistake palin as a stupid hick. she’s pretty smart..
Dana Goldstein
Sept 8, 2008, 2:42pm
Agree with Harold. And what’s more, this is something McCain or any other Republican (Romney) would totally say. Sure, they got too big and dependent dependent on the taxpayers for a bailout. We may not agree with the ideology behind the statement, but it’s no proof of Palin’s particular ignorance.
Harold Pollack
Sept 8, 2008, 2:44pm
On Adele’s “hick” front, I would emphasize that it’s Palin’s small-mindedness, not her small-town roots, we find so appalling. Hubert Humphrey hailed from Wallace, South Dakota, Harry Truman from Lamar, Missouri, Jimmy Carter from Plains, Georgia.John Edwards, etc.
Ezra Klein
Sept 8, 2008, 2:46pm
I think you are all reading the quote too closely and giving the context too little weight. When McCain gave the first part of his speech before Walter Reed High, it was fine. If Obama had done it, it would’ve ended the election. Similarly, Palin can’t be seen to be unaware of what shes talking about right now, even if the actual issue is technical. The subject, in other words, is only important so much as it gives folks time to talk about the deeper failing.
Ryan Avent
Sept 8, 2008, 2:54pm
Agreed. If we were the GOP, we’d be taking this opportunity to shout long and loud how unprepared Palin is–”*She doesn’t even know what Fannie and Freddie are..in the middle of a housing crisis! Of course she’s learning from the ‘master’, who thinks a housing crisis means having to fire the staff at one of his seven mansions.”* The actual content of the quote wouldn’t matter, nor would the probably reasonable defense mounted by her supporters.
That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.
Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 2:58pm
So why aren’t Dems doing that? Just wundrin’
Michael Kazin
Sept 8, 2008, 3:00pm
They seem to have been infected by Kerryitis, one hopes in a milder strain. More town meetings in Western PA ain’t gonna cut it…
Kathleen Geier
Sept 8, 2008, 3:01pm
I’m unsure. Her ignorance is alarming, and I’d like to think it would make voters worry about whether she’s really up to the job.
On the other hand, the GOP obviously takes great pride in being the stupid party. And hey it’s worked!
If we made an issue of this, not sure if it would be a winner or a loser.
Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:03pm
Michael – Isn’t this something that can be fanned a bit by, say, the Guardian?
Robert Kuttner
Sept 8, 2008, 2:03pm
Yes, but they just take every opportunity to play hardball, and too often our folks play beanbag.
Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 3:05pm
I now think the whole Palin narrative is a loser for D’s. If she doesn’t flub up, she was underestimated and she’s brilliant and the Dems were sneering elitists. If she does flub ub, it’s the liberal media that was out to get her from the start.
Keep the firepower aimed at McCain, get the story back on him. If something *big* comes out about her, fine. Until then, maybe try to catch her in the Bridge lie, but otherwise leave her alone.
Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 3:06pm
The Guardian? You’re kidding right? Remember the Clark County letters?
David Roberts
Sept 8, 2008, 3:08pm
“That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.”
Namely, we suck at it and we always lose, even when historical circumstances are overwhelmingly in our favor. God, can’t this thing just be over.
Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:11pm
I don’t understand this. i thought this time, the Dems got it about needing to be aggressive. obama said over and over he wasn’t going to be a patsy. How come we get it and they don’t????? If the Dems lose this by being too lofty, I will become a Buddhist nun. there will really be no point to all the work and effort and hysteria we go through every four years. Obama, remember, is supposed to be this fabulously talented politician. So???
Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 3:12pm
I think turning the story back to McCain now that Palin’s in the mix is almost wishful thinking.
Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:15pm
Re: Clark County Letters, fair enough! But it seems to me that a concerted effort on the part of the left partisan press could be useful. Why geld ourselves? A lot of the people on this list work for organizations that are far more influential than, say, the Washington Times. Open question: Would it be a good use of this list to co-ordinate a message of the week along the lines of the GOP. Or is that too loathsome? It certainly sounds loathsome. But so does losing!
Ezra Klein
Sept 8, 2008, 3:18pm
Nope, no message coordination. I’m not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character.
Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:20pm
I think what you say is kind of like, “ignore the swiftboaters, you only lend them credibility by taking them on.” Palin matters because she is in the spotlight. She’s the celebrity. she’s the personality kid!
We can’t be passive. she won’t destroy herself her flubs will be explained away or equated with slips by the Dems or rebraned as amusing foible (like GWB’s “Grecians”) and the charlie gibson media will go along.
Michael Cohen
Sept 8, 2008, 3:14pm
Adam, in an ideal world this would be a big deal, but don’t you know by now that the GOP operates under different rules. For example, John McCain said this in January and no one batted an eye:
“People talk about a stimulus package. Fine, if that’s what we want to come up with. But stop the spending first.”
For a guy who has spent 26 years in DC you would think that he would understand the basic tenets of fiscal policy or the role of government spending in serving as an economic stimulus . . . but alas he does not.
So really this is pretty minimal stuff . . .
Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:23pm
Fair enough, Ezra! The list is great at as it is and I didn’t mean to suggest anything out of bounds. I am still curious about the reluctance of the left media to organize, though. The message discipline on the right seems to be one of its key advantages.
Adam Dorster
Sept 8, 2008, 3:31pm
I was only pointing out the line because I thought it telling, not questioning why it wasn’t considered a big deal or advocating for people to throw down the gauntlet about it. I know in the grand scheme of things it’s small potatoes and can be easily explained away. But I honestly believe that in this election cycle, she and McCain will pay for their shallowness. I don’t know why. I have no reason to believe so. Just a hunch.
A
David Roberts
Sept 8, 2008, 3:34pm
Just read past messages on this list, Luke. Everyone here is a /journalist /or an /independent analyst/. Their job is to /say what they think/, not to support Obama. Suggest that they focus on more electorally helpful and equally true messages, and they will bridle.
There simply is nothing on the left like the partisan media on the right. The left has no media soldiers, only ironically distanced media observers. “Dems should do this. Dems should do that. Why isn’t Obama saying this? Why isn’t Obama saying that?” All from a great height, with great detachment.
I’m not bashing. I’m guilty too. I just despair. We’re going to lose again, for all the same damn reasons.
Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:41pm
Well, Okay, j-list isn’t the place. But people who think message discipline is a good idea can start another list, and promote the weekly message there.
Jaana Goodrich
Sept 8, 2008, 3:57pm
Four More Years. Four More Years. Four More Years.
That’s what I would use against McCain’s attempts to capture Obama’s message of change. Use the message that really drives the Republicans and show it to the voters.
Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 4:18pm
I agree with Jaana, in a bit more detail. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth about Palin getting away with something Obama couldn’t get away with, or the net convention bounce, or insufficient message-coordination in the progressive media, obscures the giant, unmistakable, uncomplicated bullseye McCain has now painted on his back with indelible ink: The Maverick Meme. Look at the latest McCain ad: he and Palin are identified as “fighting the Republicans” and “fighting oil companies and drug companies.” You’d never know they were GOPers, or supported virtually all of Bush policies (except for those they oppose FROM THE RIGHT) from these ads.
It requires no particular strategic genius or “message coordination” to recognize that we and the Obama campaign have the next two months to demonstrate that McCain and Palin represent the status quo party, the status quo ideology, and status quo policies. That is not terribly difficult. If it doesn’t work, then I think we have to begin
to consider the possibility that the country actually wants another conservative administration led by someone less despicable or incompetent than George Bush. Either way, I don’t think day-to-day tactical brilliance is that critical, and I also doubt that all of us grinding away at the same tactical talking points like cicadas matters much, either. Either McCain pulls off the “maverick” deception, or he loses. Everything else is secondary, IMO.
Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 4:28pm
Just to make my point completely clear, if you made me Progressive Message Czar for today, I’d order everyone to link to Toles’ cartoon from yesterday. It says everything important that needs to be said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles…;
Greg Anrig
Sept 8, 2008, 4:37pm
Plus the cartoon has the added virtue of being funny. Remember that bit where Obama made fun of the Republicans for taking pride in being ignorant about the tire pressure gauges? He and Biden could easily make the Toles idea a riff in their stump speeches. It’s the right message and the one they’ve been making. They just need to stick to it and try to find new, clever, funny ways to keep hammering away at it. And in the process make it clear that McCain is even more dangerous than Bush.
Nico Pitney
Sept 8, 2008, 4:41pm
Obama took your advice to heart…
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/a_good_line_but.html
* *
*A good line, but not Obama’s*
Scott Helman
Boston Globe’s Political Intelligence Blog
September 8, 2008
Campaigning in Terre Haute, Ind. on Saturday, Barack Obama, mocking claims by John McCain and Sarah Palin that they will challenge their Republican Party if elected, got off a pretty good line. “Maybe what they’re saying is, ‘Watch out George Bush,’” Obama said with sarcasm, according to NBC News. “Except for economic policies, and tax policies, and energy policies, and health care policies, and education policies, and Karl Rove-style politics except for all that, we’re really going to bring change to Washington! We’re really going to shake things up!”
It wasn’t Obama’s line, though. It came from Washington Post cartoonist Tom Toles, whose cartoon Friday featured these words along with a drawing of McCain and Sarah Palin in front of the White House: “Watch out, Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we’re coming in there to shake things up!” (See the cartoon here.)
Asked about the borrowing, Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Obama used Toles’s lines unwittingly, after being alerted to them by a friend who didn’t mention the source.
“This came to Senator Obama from a friend who didn’t indicate where he had gotten it from, but the questions it raises certainly continue to ring true,” Psaki said in an email. “He did not know it was from a cartoon and now that he does he will certainly credit the cartoonist.”
In fact, the campaign says, Obama used the line again while campaiging today in Michigan, this time crediting the “cartoon in The Washington Post.”
Greg Anrig
Sept 8, 2008, 4:44pm
And of course the Globe turns it into a story about plagiarism!
Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 4:45pm
well of course, dems are all big phonies.
Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 4:46pm
it’s not like the mccain campaign stole their theme of “change” from anyone else this election cycle.
Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 5:01pm
Well, the Obama follow-up should be: “Sometimes it takes a cartoon to fight a cartoon, and the real cartoon is the latest ad from my opponents, which claims they are ‘the original mavericks’ who’ve devoted themselves to criticizing Republicans and fighting oil and drug companies. Daffy Duck is the only character who could approve
that message.”
Todd Gitlin
Sept 8, 2008, 9:37pm
On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:
McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.
Repeat after me:
McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.
These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.
Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.
I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!
Lindsay Beyerstein
Sept 8, 2008, 11:00pm
I bet it was a mistake born of ignorance.
If she knew the truth, then she also knew that she would appear to be making an elementary mistake which could damage her credibility with anyone who cares about these issues, Republicans as well as Democrats.
There are plenty of merely spurious or misleading things she could have said about Fannie and Freddie that would have been just as ideologically satisfying and harder to debunk.
Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 11:04pm
I really doubt that.
Lindsay Beyerstein
Sept 8, 2008, 11:37pm
If she knew perfectly well that Fannie and Freddie were private companies, why would she go out of her way to lie in a way that made her look stupid?
If she knew what she was talking about, she wouldn’t have had to resort to such an obvious falsehood to advance her narrative.
Palin got savaged on the gubernatorial campaign trail for her shaky grasp of economics. One of her opponents in that race characterized her statements about the state budget as “gibberish.”
Rick Perlstein
Sept 9, 2008, 10:02am
I suspect there’s a heavy Shock Doctrine/Predator State angle to the takeover that hasn’t been explored–that the right sees taking over F and F as a prelude to selling them off. Already, one of my wingnuts sent me a triumphant email claiming that this is one more pillar of the New Deal the conservative movement has now pulled down. Sarah might be setting up that kind of interpretation when she says F&F
equal “Big Government.”
There are those who will scoff at these sentiments, but only out of a misplaced form of jealous rage. The ridicule of weak, empty people means nothing. Jesus Himself was ridiculed by such as these, then ascended to the right hand of God Almighty.
I thank God for Sarah Palin. Praise God for blessing us so.
:-/
Gitlin. President of the SDS. His utopian dream wasn't the Soviet Union but Vietnam under Ho and Cuba under Fidel. David Horowitz writes about him here in Unholy alliance: radical Islam and the American left.
Todd Gitlin
Sept 8, 2008, 9:37pm
On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:
McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.
Repeat after me:
McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.
These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.
Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.
I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!
. . .
This guy is a journalism professor at Columbia.
I’m glad transcripts are coming out because these “discussions” are even worse in their full context.
Sickening.
We truly need a reckoning in this nation. Reading this made me want to ktfo every one of these communist a holes.
Communist a-holes is right. Check this one:
ALYSSA ROSENBERG, GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVE: I’ve gotta be all non-partisan on GovExec, so I hope you’ll all indulge me a minute here. On Monday night in Manassas, the band warming up the crowd before Obama arrived played “I Need You To Survive.” I think the core lyrics are pretty good statement of principles for progressives, especially going forward from a victory like this one:
It is his will, that every need be supplied.
You are important to me, I need you to survive.
You are important to me, I need you to survive.
I pray for you, You pray for me.
I love you, I need you to survive.
I won’t harm you with words from my mouth.
I love you, I need you to survive.
It is his will, that every need be supplied.
You are important to me, I need you to survive.
A lot of horribly ugly stuff got repudiated tonight. But it doesn’t end here. We need to keep making the case to the folks who disagreed with us, the folks who booed McCain during his concession speech tonight.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/obama-wins-and-journolisters-rejoice/#ixzz0umZJbqUt
Thanks for copying those emails to the thread.
I added some “new names” to the thread BuckeyeTexan has of the “JournoListers”.
You can find the list here:
JournoList: 122 Names Confirmed (with News Organizations)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2558838/
I did a little digging and found a little about each of these “new faces”.
KATHLEEN GEIER - Talking Points Memo (TPM)
I only found her profile from TPM in Google’s Cache, but I’m assuming this is the person from the list.
I found her at TPM through a link on DU. I also found her name referenced by fellow JournoLister Katha Pollitt in a column about McCain which you can read here: http://www.thenation.com/blog/mccain-may-be-old-hes-still-threat
Note: Interestingly there is also a Kathleen Geier that lived in Wasilla, Alaska during the 80s. I do not think they are the same person though.
ROBERT KUTTNER -
Co-Founder & Co-Editor of The American Prospect
Co-Founder of The Economic Policy Institute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kuttner
Writer at Huffington Post (info. from Google search revealing his profile, and recent columns there)
JAANA GOODRICH -
Blogger, Echidne of the Snake
Contributing author, The American Prospect (see J. Goodrich)
NICO PITNEY -
National Editor, The Huffington Post
Previously the Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and Managing Editor of ThinkProgress.
(see bio at HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/reporting/nico-pitney )
SCOTT HELMAN -
The Boston Globe
This from a guy who thinks the whinly little b!tch speaks more than applause talking points.
Yeah...non-partisan. Here she is on GovExec in 2007 helping Democrats in a scheme to prosecute Bush staffers:
Employee advocates cite disparities in Hatch Act enforcement
Repetition does work, so how about this:
Palin is not the messiah, nor is she another Reagan. Government under President Palin will not make our economy perfect, nor will it cure bad breath. All I can say for her is that she is so far the best hope our country has to more back in the direction of a limited and constitutional government that allows the American people to solve our own problems. If that’s not enough for her to earn our votes, then we no longer deserve freedom and prosperity.
Amen.
“While other members of the group debated whether to coordinate a pro-Obama message – or, more precisely, whether to concede that such a message was being coordinated — Todd Gitlin of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism had already made up his mind. Gitlin, whose job is to train the next generation of America’s most elite journalists, wrote this impassioned plea on behalf of the Obama campaign:
“On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:
“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.
“Repeat after me:
“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.
“These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.
“Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.
“I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!”
(end snip)
Isn’t it time we do a phone call and email campaign to seek this man’s firing? Anybody game? I’ve had enough of this crap. It’s time to fight fire with fire. This man doesn’t deserve to be teaching finger painting 101, much else journalism.
Perhaps it’s time to flood the dean’s office with righteous indignation about this school teaching dishonest propaganda and calling it ‘journalism’.
It’s time to demand this man’s resignation and/or firing from Columbia.
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