Skip to comments.LTC Lakin Makes Formal Request of Hawaii Deposition
Posted on 07/29/2010 1:01:40 AM PDT by rxsid
"Press Release: Lakin Makes Formal Request of Hawaii Deposition
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DECORATED ARMY DOCTOR LTC TERRY LAKIN MAKES FORMAL REQUEST TO COMMANDING GENERAL FOR DEPOSITION OF HAWAII STATE DEPT OF HEALTH
Testimony Sought of Custodian of Records AND Production of all records relating to President
Decision to be made by Army Major General
Washington, D.C., July 29, 2010. The Army doctor who is facing a court martial for refusing to obey orders, including a deployment order for his second tour of duty in Afghanistan, has formally requested his Commanding General approve a deposition in Hawaii of the records-keeper of the State Department of Healthand the production of all of their records concerning Barack Obama.
The records Lakin seeks have been the subject of intense interest ever since the closing days of the 2008 presidential campaign when a document appeared on the internet purporting to be a certification that Hawaiis Dept. of Health had records showing he had been born in Honolulu. Since then, Dr. Chiyome Fukino the head of that agency has made public statements on the subject, but has refused all requests for copies of the actual records in the Departments custody. Recently, a former Hawaii elections clerk has come forward saying that he was told that the Departments records showed Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.
The United States Constitution requires that a person be a natural born citizen to be elected to the presidency. If Mr. Obama was not born in Honolulu as he has claimed, then he is unlikely to be a natural born citizen. An examination of the records kept by the Hawaii Dept. of Health are an essential first step in ascertaining Mr. Obamas constitutional eligibility to hold the office to which he was elected in 2008.
While no civil litigant has obtained discovery of these records, and all the civil lawsuits seeking those records have been dismissed on procedural grounds, Lakins case is different because he is the subject of criminal prosecution, and upon conviction stands in jeopardy of being sentenced to years at hard labor in the penitentiary.
Lakins request was submitted by his counsel to the Commanding General of the Military District of Washington, Major General Karl R. Horst, under Rule 702(b) of the Rules for Courts-Martial, which provides that A convening authority who has the charges for disposition or, after referral, the convening authority or the military judge may order that a deposition be taken on request of a party.
Lakins civilian attorney has been provided to him by the American Patriot Foundation, a non-profit group incorporated in 2003 to foster appreciation and respect for the U.S. Constitution, which has established a fund for Lakins legal defense to LTC Lakin. Further details are available on the Foundations website, www.safeguardourconstitution.com."
Please make your maximum tax deductible donation now to the legal defense fund of a courageous officer standing up for the Constitution.
American Patriot Foundation's Legal Defense Fund will pay for all of LTC Lakin's attorneys fees and costs, and so we urgently need your tax deductible contribution. A noted civilian California trial lawyer has now been hired to be LTC Lakin's lead counsel. It is expected these fees and costs will exceed $500,000 and therefore it is essential that LTC Lakin's supporters come to his aid NOW."
"LTC Lakin Makes Formal Request of Hawaii Deposition "
Will the good Colonel EVER meet up with a commanding officer with guts?
Mark my words, this case will be dropped.
mAybe he will find a Sanctuary City in Arizona that will refuse deportation to the United States of Africans.
That’s the way I see it.
The case will be dropped, the Colonel will be involuntarily separated, and the DOD will refuse to answer any questions regarding it. Not that there would BE any questions from the lick-spittle Obama lovers in the MSM.
Well, we could darn sure use a miracle about now...
I am praying for Lt. Col. Lakin!
Seems like Obama could spend $12 and authorize a Long Form Birth Certificate to go directly from Hawaii to the court.
It would have the hospital and doctor who delivered him.
We’re all assured there’s no problem, though it’s rather bizarre why he has dodged this for over 2 years now.
Not only will the case be dropped but he will do time for refusing to go to Afganistan. If people would have done this during President Bush’s time people would not be praying for him but pleading for a long jail term. The liberals thought that the wars were illegal but we still expected them to deploy to Iraq and Afganistan regardless of their thinking. This is a very interstesting case and I can’t wait to see the conclusion.
“Not only will the case be dropped but he will do time for refusing to go to Afghanistan”
I must be reading your statement wrong. Aren’t those contradicting statements? Did you mean *not* be dropped?
The attorneys should know Obama is not a natural born citizen.
Are they out of the loop on this?
If your aunt had a penis she'd be your uncle. If the Bush White House would have ever been pressed to produce any birth certificate they would not have lied about its release like the present regime. Robert Gibbels, the White House Press Corpse propagandist, was asked in a presser to produce the Obama birth certificate that lists what hospital baby Barry was born in. He flat out LIED to the entire country and said that he released it. NOT ONE JOURNALIST, except the one asking for it, challenged him on his lie.
Due to the recorded fraudulent statements made by Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Lt Col Lakin is a patriot for demanding Barry prove he is eligible for the office by the production of his birth certificate.
The commanding officer who filed the charges against him is a Medal of Honor recipient. I would think that qualified.
Whether true of false it's also irrelevant to the charges filed against him.
Actually I believe the case will continue, Lakin will be convicted, but will not do any prison time.
LTC Lakin Bump.
If the executive is not valid based on Obama not being a natural born citizen it does not have the legal authority to convene a courts-martial.
Obama is not a constitutional Commander in Chief. He is a congressional Commander in chief.
This request will too be denied. LTC Lakin will be found guilty, as he should.
Nancy Pelosi presumably signed at least one, and reportedly two, certifications for the only two states which required eligibility validation, Hawaii and Arizona. It sounds like Obama may be covered, because he never claimed to be a natural born citizen, and said before the election that he believed that the Constitution had historical relevance, but needed a new bill of rights to enable him to do what he felt society needed. He might have a problem with the oath of office, which took three trys, and Pelosi probably has immunity as a Senator. But his intention was always to change things, almost certainly including the Constitution. It depends upon what is is!
LtCol Lakin clearly has the courage of his convictions. I wish Dr. Lakin would use the attention his sacrifice has gained him to help others understand what our framers intended based upon their own words, in the Federalist Papers, Dr. Ramsay's Dissertation, Joseph Story, Hamilton, Jefferson, Marshall, etc. etc. We know Obama is not eligible because he told us. Lakin appears not to know that; that is very puzzling! There appears to be a conspiracy to ignore the words of our Constitution and its authors. If enough people were willing to support an amendment to make McCain eligible, that is reasonable. Birth to citizen parents, naturalized, native, or natural born, makes good sense. It does not make sense to ignore one or the other, but as Larry Tribe pointed out, including the children of citizens who happen to be born overseas was considered in 1790, but rescinded in 1795. What is happening now amounts to colluding on a convenient blind spot. It sets a terrible precedent.
If true then still irrelevant to the charges Lakin is facing. He's being court martialed for missing movement and refusing to obey the orders of his brigade commander and not with refusing to obey Obama's orders.
Obama is not convening a court martial, the local area commander is. And I'm sure he or she has that authority.
Anything can happen.
I think they must punish him. If they dont, they invite a 100 more. That starts another wheel turning.
Some cases are less suspenseful than others, and this one is a slam dunk. He did miss movement. He did refuse to obey the orders of his commanding officer. And since the court to date has refused to allow anything relating to Obama's eligibility then I'd say his goose is pretty well cooked.
I think they must punish him. If they dont, they invite a 100 more. That starts another wheel turning.
There was a local doctor who refused to report for duty during Desert Storm. She got court martialed and spent about 2 years in Leavenworth before being let out. I really doubt that they'll jail Lakin but he will be kicked out and lose his pension.
If the Army allows the deposition, and the State of HI has no document, just a form from Granny .... it could get fun! We will then know why he’s hiding. Shit meets fan.
“Even Patrick Leahy, along with every U.S. Senator in April 2008, agreed that a natural born citizen is born of two citizen parents.”
Being dishonest doesn’t help your case. They were referring to a child born OUTSIDE the US of 2 citizen parents. All are agreed that if Obama was born outside the US, he isn’t a NBC.
And anyone claiming Obama has dual loyalty to the UK is an idiot.
A **real** natural born American president would be **HONORED** to immediately provide the best evidence that he was constitutionally eligible to be Commander in Chief.
Obama is a foreign snake.
Mind your step...
Reagan would have. Bush would have. Hussein is nothing but a liar and sneak thief.
Only a very guilty foreign usurper would do this to a decorated military officer.
Fundamentally, a **real**, true blue, natural born, American president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with all of the best evidence that he was a natural born citizen and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.
The Kenyan in Chief would sooner see a perfectly good military officer get destroyed before he allowed his illigitimacy and LIES to be exposed.
HUssein is sadly, a lot more than a sneak and a theif.
It will require a battle royal to be rid of him.
That is why we need to know exactly what he is.
YOU NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT, OUR SURVIVAL AS A NATION DEPENDS ON IT!
Obama is a NATIONALIST
( black power /ethnic minority nation dedicated to seizing power on behalf of the racial and ethnic minorities of America based on the idea that America's greatness is fatally flawed because it owes its success to the colonial exploitation of black /ethnic minorities , and historic justice is required as a remedy, pretty much the same as Adolf Hitler's ideology for the German people prior to WWII which dictated historic justice for Germany. This has been candied up and sold to the American people, who have bought it, lock, stock and barrel, and the MSM hides it's dirty underside..)
OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST:
The economic aspect of racial historic justice requires a redistribution of wealth through subverting the present government system from within and using taxation, double dealings with Unions and industry, black mailing of traditional allies like Britain and Israel, and the abuse of other executive powers to redistribute wealth to racial and ethnic minorities rather than provide government services to ALL of the people). Obama plans to do this internationally, and he therefore abjures diplomacy with Britain ( colonial power) and others who were so called exploiters of the "black man."
Obama is a Nationalist Socialist, THATS RIGHT, A FASCIST.
His method of fascism is born of the Chicago thug school. HE IS NOT A COMMUNIST.This is important to know, for Obama cannot be defeated if we think he is a mere communist. His idea of black elitists who are racially and biologically superior to the white man in every way, a hatred of America ,goes much deeper than that of a mere communist.This is revealed by his association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obamas conduct in office on racial and ethnic issues such as the New Black Panther party prosecution, and his refusal to secure our Southern Border, and his conflict with Arizonas illegal alien enforcement.GET IT RIGHT, OBAMA IS MUCH WORSE THAN A COMMUNIST!
I find it disconcerting that people do not examine what Obama's politics are,because that means we cannot defeat him because we cannot define him. THINK ON IT!. Obama is a fascist, a thug, a man who has no love for America and seeks to willfully destroy her if she does not do his bidding to become his twisted Utopia. He is not a Communist.Get it right. Our survival as a nation depends on it.
As for Obamas experience with genocide, take a look at what he advized Odinga to do in Novemeber of 2007,sending the fascist Orange Party into the streets of Nairobi and the Kenyan hinterland. At one point a whole church with 75 men women and children were burned alive.A much loved Olympic marathon runner was summarily executed. Thousands died under the torch and panga in inter tribal genocidal slaughter, yet the MSM DID NOT cover it, while Britsh and Australian news did. Its was all about how the encumbants cheated on the election count. Obviously Chad found its way to Kenya. Sound familiar anyone? Obama has genocidal blood on his hands , and it didn't even make him flinch during his presidential campaign.Do you think it will be much different for America should it come to that?Its what Obama wants. Its hopenchange ...OR ELSE! Kenya was a test bed for what Obama intends for America.
May 12, 2009 Barack Obama, the Quintessential Liberal Fascist
By Kyle-Anne Shiver
They fear that the development and building of Peoples (community) Organizations is the building of a vast power group which may fall prey to a fascistic demagogue who will seize leadership and control and turn an organization into a Frankensteins monster against democracy. - Saul Alinsky responding to his critics, Reveille for Radicals; p. 199
When Saul Alinsky began building his community-organization movement in 1930s Chicago, observers were watching Alinsky with one eye, while with the other eye observing the building of communist and fascist movements in Europe. It wasnt hard then to see in Alinskys programs at home, elements of the peoples revolution from Russia, as well as some of the same in your face tactics being employed by Hitlers Brownshirts.
What Alinskys critics saw was the burgeoning of a national movement, the carefully manipulated construction of peoples organizations, which all had two elements in common: (1) a collectivist creed, which denied the existence of personal responsibility; and (2) an amoral dogma, in which all means were justified by an imaginary utopian end.
While most modern Americans remember well Hitlers Holocaust and the Cold War waged by a solid U.S.S.R., many of these same Americans have swallowed some false history regarding the movements that spawned such widespread, horrendous results. In what may be regarded as the most triumphant propaganda victory of our time, fascism has been scrubbed of all its Marxist roots, while communism has been scrubbed of its millions of callous murders.
This post-WWII propaganda coup undeniably set the stage for the early Alinsky critics most feared eventuality, that the massive organizations could be shrewdly adopted by a fascist demagogue, someone who could seize leadership and control and turn them into a Frankensteins monster against democracy.
But perhaps the most cunning propaganda feat in history has been undertaken for the past 8 years. As Jonah Goldberg expertly expounds in his book, Liberal Fascism, American left-wing ideologues have managed to dissociate themselves from all the horrors of fascism with a brilliant rhetorical maneuver. Theyve done it by claiming that their opponents are the fascists.
Alinsky himself employed this method, quite deviously. Alinsky biographer, Sanford D. Horwitt provides an anecdote using precisely this diabolical tactic to deceive the people. From Horwitts Let Them Call Me Rebel:
...in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University...students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations - a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administrations Vietnam War policies. The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bushs address. Thats the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative - and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school. He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, The KKK supports Bush. And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results.
In what may eventually prove to be a devious rhetorical feat of monstrous proportions, while the left has been indulging and fostering the Bush Is Hitler meme, they may have just put a genuine ideological fascist heir in the White House.
There is inherent danger in making scurrilous comparisons (as were perpetrated unceasingly against George W. Bush), but there seem to be some very worrisome signs in the rise of Barack Obama that we Americans would be foolish to ignore.
Obama, the Closer
As I put forth last year in Obama, the Closer, Barack Obama, did not start his movement; Alinsky did.
Nor did Obama amass the organizations that propelled him. As detailed by Heidi J. Swarts, in her book, Organizing Urban America, the movement begun by Saul Alinsky in the 1930s has morphed into thousands of secular and faith-based leftist political organizations. ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) has perhaps the highest public profile, is most reputed for radicalism, and is the organization with which Barack Obama was first aligned. But ACORN is the mere tip of a veritable iceberg of Alinsky-styled community organizations that sweep across the entire United States and make up the backbone of faith-based progressive movements as well.
These euphemistically called community organizations have next to nothing to do with improving the communities and everything to do with politics, primarily strong-arming government money to advance their political aims. Prior to Reagans election, these groups worked independently for the most part, each seeking to effect local change towards leftist ends.
But with Reagans victory, ACORN founding member Wade Rathke sent out a memo (published by Swarts; Organizing Urban America; p. 29) that would reverberate all the way to Barack Obamas moment. ACORN had been behaving as a sort of Lone Ranger of the Left for too long, wrote Rathke. Ronald Reagan had formed a coalition among the middle-class that threatened to bring greater prosperity without left-wing Statists calling the shots. Rathke put out the call to the ACORN troops to stop antagonizing those who would be allies, especially unions and church organizations, once shunned by ACORN as too placid for the real fight for power. For the next 25 years, the community organization network built, proliferated and formed a solid, nation-wide base of political strength, purely according to Alinskys original vision, and all just waiting for the right candidate to tap into it and lead it.
When folks from all corners of America proclaimed, seemingly with one voice, Barack is the One weve been waiting for, they were speaking out of the vast Alinsky-originated network.
Neither did Barack Obama invent the political ideology of change, nor design its carefully crafted propaganda. While media folks talked of the tingles up their legs and the brilliant rhetoric of Barack Obama, they were heralding the speaker only, not the creator of the movement and its slogans. That would have been Saul Alinsky, the man who took fascism and cunningly made it appear to casual observers every bit as American as apple pie.
Barack Obama is merely the movements closer, the quintessential liberal fascist with a teleprompter.
Alinskys Ideology of Change: The Third Way
Goldberg fastidiously notes the comparison between Alinskys in your face rules for radicals, studied and perfected by Barack Obama, and shows them to have profoundly fascist roots:
...theres no disputing that vast swaths of his (Alinskys) writings are indistinguishable from the fascist rhetoric of the 1920s and 1930s...His worldview is distinctly fascistic. Life is defined by war, contests of power, the imposition of will. Moreover, Alinsky shares with the fascists and pragmatists of yore a bedrock hostility to dogma. All he believes in are the desired ends of the movement, which he regards as the source of lifes meaning...But what comes through most is his unbridled love of power. Power is a good in its own right for Alinsky. Ours is a world not of angels but of angles, he proclaims in Rules for Radicals, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles.
Saul Alinsky was the man who transformed politics in America into all-out war mode. Alinskys tenth rule of the ethics of means: You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments. Alls fair in love and war, and politics, to Alinsky, was war.
A Peoples (community) Organization is not a philanthropic plaything or a social services ameliorative gesture. It is a deep, hard-driving force, striking and cutting at the very roots of all the evils which beset the people. It thinks and acts in terms of social surgery and not cosmetic cover-ups.
A Peoples Organization is dedicated to an eternal war
. A war is not an intellectual debate, and in the war against social evils there are no rules of fair play. Saul Alinsky; Reveille for Radicals; p. 133
Alinsky includes an entire section in Rules for Radicals on The Ideology of Change. The watchword of the Obama campaign was change. Just as Hitler mobilized the masses with a calculatingly undefined demand for change, so did Alinsky disciple, Barack Obama.
Everything must be different! or Alles muss anders sein!, Hitlers own campaign slogan, morphed into Unite for Change, and the Obama transition teams change.gov. Even the idea of a vast movement was borrowed from Hitler. As Goldberg states, Hitler used the phrase, the Movement, more than 200 times in Mein Kampf.
The word movement itself is instructive. Movement, unlike progress, doesnt imply a fixed destination. Rather, it takes it as a given that any change is better.
(Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 176) Perhaps the most intoxicating allure to the fascist demagogue and his movement for undefined change is its misleadingly conciliatory flavor. Barack Obama continually, throughout his campaign and even now, portrays himself as the Third Way between the cantankerous factions that have polarized America for the past 80 years, since liberal fascism took root as the Progressive Movement.
Obama claimed that Bush was too much the ideologue, that his policies were driven by the Christian right, involved false choices between all-out war on the one hand and diplomacy on the other, between the welfare state and cold-hearted, do-nothing conservatism, between absolute sovereignty and cowardly submission to the global community, between doing all and doing nothing. And if any of this gibberish were a true reflection of our political disagreements, Obama would be somewhat correct. But as any sentient person knows, this radical presentation of Obamas is absolutely false. That gets lost, though, in the leaders conciliatory tone.
What must not get lost, however, is the very real fact that this Third Way movement for change is as fascist as anything we have ever seen in the USA. As Alinsky described his own Ideology of Change, the lure is in the claim that the leader has no ideology that would confine his outlook to hard choices between what is moral or immoral, that there are no boundaries set by either religion or politics, that everything can change and the only thing that matters is ones end intention to do something good.
As Hitler, before Alinsky, proclaimed, Our program is to govern, not delve into theory and dogma. This is in itself very appealing, especially to an electorate sick of the contentiousness of the past decade. This undefined ideology of change for the sake of change, for some action that will break through the roadblocks of polarization, has tremendous allure.
But Goldberg bursts that bubble:
The middle way sounds moderate and un-radical. Its appeal is that it sounds unideological and freethinking. But philosophically the Third Way is not mere difference splitting; it is utopian and authoritarian. Its utopian aspect becomes manifest in its antagonism to the idea that politics is about trade-offs. The Third Wayer says that there are no false choices -I refuse to accept that X should come at the expense of Y. The Third Way holds that we can have capitalism and socialism, individual liberty and absolute unity. Fascist movements are implicitly utopian because they - like communist and heretical Christian movements assume that with just the right arrangement of policies, all contradictions can be rectified. (Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 130)
Of course, thinking people when they are indeed thinking know this is an utterly false promise. Life will never be made perfect because all human beings are imperfect.
Unity, the Diabolical Lure
What of this longed-for unity then? Barack Obama proclaimed he was leading a movement of people united for change. What is the appeal of unity?
The modern liberal fascist seeks that state between mother and child which exists early on before the child seeks his own independence, before mother must set herself at odds with him. It is the perfectly secure state of childhood where all is lovely and peaceful and nurturing, but cannot continue indefinitely if the child is to be prepared to face a world of difficulty and hard choices. Nevertheless, the yearning continues. It is this primordial yearning which sets itself in the crosshairs of the fascist demagogue.
But in adult life, this type of unity is anything but desirable, anything but virtuous. As Goldberg states, however, elevation of unity as the highest social value is a core tenet of fascism and all leftist ideologies.
The allure of this mystical unity is so great that its demand to sacrifice reason and thought on the false altar of infantile security is seemingly lost to many. But as Goldberg also reminds us, unity is, at best, morally neutral and often a source of irrationality and groupthink.
Rampaging mobs are unified. The Mafia is unified. Marauding barbarians bent on rape and pillage are unified. Meanwhile, civilized people have disagreements, and small-d democrats have arguments. Classical liberalism is based on this fundamental insight, which is why fascism was always anti-liberal.
Liberalism rejected the idea that unity is more valuable than individuality. For fascists and other leftists, meaning and authenticity are found in collective enterprises - of class, nation, or race - and the state is there to enforce that meaning on everyone without the hindrance of debate. (Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 172)
Just as the healthy relationship between parent and developing child demands friction, so does the healthy relationship between truly liberal citizens. Unity is the siren song of tyranny, not the call to genuine progress.
Fascism: The Two Birds with One Stone Approach
I think of Obamas liberal fascism as a cancer that attempts to kill the two birds of American exceptionalism with one stone. It is a deviously appealing Third Way that in the end, if allowed to triumph completely, kills both individual liberty and Judeo/Christian religion with its single stone.
And, indeed this was the precise goal of Adolph Hitler. Unlike the outspoken hatred of private property and religion espoused by communists under Lenin and Stalin, Hitler preferred the more moderate-seeming incremental takeover of private enterprise in the interest of the common good, and the slow-death of Judeo/Christian religion by chipping away at it and replacing the peoples dependence upon God gradually with reliance on the state (Hitler).
[Note: Hitlers Holocaust was based on the Progressive Eugenics principles set forth by Social Darwinist scientists and social engineers of the 1920s, widely accepted both in Europe and in the United States. Religion was not at the core of the Holocaust; race was. However, Hitlers other chief aim was to destroy the Judeo/Christian religions, which he believed had ruined the Germanic races world predominance.]
Of course, as the German people were duped into giving Hitler totalitarian powers to work his magic change, he took off the kid gloves and accelerated the program.
In the end, however slow the process, however seemingly benign the growth of the state may seem, liberal fascism has the same result of all tyrannies before it: hell on earth for most and a self-indulgent feast for the Statists in power.
As Barack Obama speaks, thinking Americans ought to hear the echoes of past fascist demagogues and remember. Remember.
When Barack Obama promises collective redemption through his profligate spending programs and vast overtures to a new world order built on love for our fellow man, we ought to shudder not swoon.
We ought to remember that healthy global relationships are built upon respect, not all-encompassing love, and that redemption for ones soul is a commodity the state is not empowered to offer.
As Pope Benedict XVI has so presciently warned:
Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic.
Be not fooled, America. The movement, which appears most benign is instead the most malignant growth ever seen on our soil. Its a cancer that will kill, and however slowly it grows or however nice it may look on the surface, doesnt change a thing.
Kyle-Anne Shiver is a frequent contributor to American Thinker. She welcomes your comments at firstname.lastname@example.org.
You truly live up to your namesake, Non-Sequitur.
His CO's behavior 20 years ago has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his behavior now, because he has evidently become more concerned with his career than the lives of his subordinates.
Lakin's CO would sooner see Lakin get destroyed before he took a stand for him.
This is hardly the same belief system that he had when he earned his CMH.
Had, at birth. His campaign materials admitted Obama had dual citizenship at birth.
His CO’s behavior 20 years ago has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his behavior now,.........
This is correct and I wish people would apply this standard to all politicians who make a career in Congress based upon their service. McCain, Kerry, and Murtha to name a few.
Can't happen. Involuntary separation of an officer requires a Court Martial. If their is such a court martial, he has the right under the UCMJ to defend himself. The Army would be hard pressed to deny access to the documentation, even if they believe it to be irrelevant, although it is possible.
If they drop the case, then he can't be involuntarily separated. He can of course be denied promotion, and would then likely retire when he reaches the 20 year mark in his career.
They get some powerful rank, and BOOM!
Nothing matters anymore save their own personal careers.
General Casey being yet another example that immediately springs to mind.
One officer? Do you seriously think he gives a damn about one officer?
Tell me please, what exactly would he be doing differently if his goal was to destroy the entire country?
His actions and omissions are fully consistent with a goal of the utter destruction of everything American, not merely one officer.
Yes there is. A valid birth certificate would prove, in a legal sense, who his father was. So even if everything on the CoLB image was correct, which is highly unlikely given that it is a forgery, then BHO junior is not a natural born citizen.
Sure that fact is generally known, but not in a legal sense. Right now, it's just hearsay. But if the BC, or even a valid, newly produced, CoLB, were entered into evidence in court, then it becomes a legal fact, unless challenged of course, with counter evidence.
Apparently there are some people on this thread who think he has any loyalty to the United States.
The FACT that Obama refuses to do this humble and simple act, and most likely KNOWINGLY allows Lakin to be destroyed is what disturbs me the most in all of this.
"Being dishonest doesnt help your case. They were referring to a child born OUTSIDE the US of 2 citizen parents. All are agreed that if Obama was born outside the US, he isnt a NBC."
But that isn't what either they or I said, was it Mr. Rogers.
"Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen" said Leahy.
Senate Res. 511 made no reference to Obama, who was one of its co-sponsors. Whether Obama is born outside of the U.S. is unknown, and being well concealed by the regime, possibly even to the extent of the murder of Lt. Harris, who "cauterized" Obama's passport files for Obama security czar Brennan, and certainly the reason behind the prosecution of the nine school testing technicians who may have had access to Obama's educational records. That Obama was born of an alien father is all the evidence needed to show ineligibility. Your job is to confuse people by changing the subject, or lying. You have been effective, but the conservative majority will learn the truth eventually.
And anyone claiming Obama has dual loyalty to the UK is an idiot.
I guess that makes the House of Commons and the Crown idiots because they passed the 1948 British Nationality Act, and Obama an idiot becuase he said on his own web site, fightthesmears that he was born a dual citizen. Our framers were concerned with allegiance at birth because that would probably affect loyalty at majority. They were correct.
People for whom Marxism is the end are not necessarily "idiots." People using the term are usually bereft of coherent arguments. This is a struggle for power. The ruling class has not learned from the failure of the USSR, or the pain of the Cubans and growing pain of the Venezualans.
If Russia wanted, they could declare all US citizens to be Russian citizens...and we would ALL be dual citizens, and then no one could be President. Of course, what the Founders were concerned with was foreign loyalties, and Obama has ZERO loyalty to the UK.
The army denied every other request for documents or witnesses relating to Obama's eligibility because they are irrelevant to the charges Lakin is facing. I don't see them changing now.
Of course he is.
Lakin's CO would sooner see Lakin get destroyed before he took a stand for him.
Considering it was his order that Lakin is charged with disobeying then I would expect he will be on the stand testifying against Lakin.
Based on folks I know, I’d say MOST military members think Lakin is in the wrong. And yes, I remember when we had enlisted folks saying they would refuse deployment because Bush was selected, not elected...a talk with legal followed by a talk with the CC convinced them that would not be a good idea.
I have no use for anyone who refuses to deploy to a combat zone. If he wishes to refuse an order to go to work...fine. But I long ago lost count of how many times I deployed, and have no use for anyone who ducks a deployment.
And I also have no use for anyone calling a Medal of Honor winner a coward based on their decisions about the law.
I worry about anyone who works for you.
But Obama's birth condition isn't an artifact of some asinine oddball ruling like that. His father had loyalty to the UK, and by operation of well established and recognized law, at least some form of that loyalty passes to his children.
-- Of course, what the Founders were concerned with was foreign loyalties, and Obama has ZERO loyalty to the UK. --
The same holds true for naturalized citizens. But that isn't the criterion set forth in the constitution.
The criteria that you assert holds, as a matter of law, makes birth-vacation babies eligible, even when both parents are non-citizens and the child is reared to adulthood in a foreign land.
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