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To: patriot preacher

Well, it’s fun to bait the Palin lovers. In truth I have a lot of appreciation and some concerns with her.

I love that she takes the fight to the enemy. In the end that might be the deciding factor. She doesn’t sit there and accept all their stupid assertions as fact. She doesn’t mind being the person who points out that there is a dead mouse in the punch bowl. (Ground Zero mosque, for instance.)

On the other hand she doesn’t seem to have much of a thought out philosophy beyond patriotism being good. In that way she reminds me of Bush2. Bush2 was not a good move for Conservatives, in my opinion. Before I support someone, as opposed to appreciate them, I would like them to explain their stance on the issues.

I consider the Mexican invastion the overwhelmingly important issue of our day. Lose that, and we lose the country. Permanant Dem majority in the House and White House.

So, she will have to speak clearly on this issue for me to support her. So far she has not, and when pressed in an interview faltered and sounded McCain like. Not good.

I think Bush didn’t really know what he was for or against except in this superficial sort of way. He quickly was body-snatched by the neo-cons and made to do their bidding.

When I see William Kristol supporting Palin, and being her “briefer” for VP I think two things. 1) Not again! and 2) I want a candidate who doesn’t need a briefer.

Reagan knew what he was all about. I see sparks of that in Palin, but I also see Bush2 like deer-in-headlights look.

Anyone who can’t mop the floor with Katie Couric isn’t really the person I’m hoping for.


80 posted on 07/29/2010 12:52:23 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black
Bush2 was not a good move for Conservatives, in my opinion.

Yet you are the guy pushing the rino, Tim Pawlenty.

"Pawlenty in Miami was publicly angry, agitated, and even cranky, possibly because he found himself at odds with the far more conservative tone of every other speaker here. Hundreds of RGA members, who paid thousands of dollars to attend this Conference, wildly applauded “red meat” conservative pronouncements by speakers and not the more moderate and conservative-jabbing words by Pawlenty. And then there’s his “Palin problem,” real or imagined, that hit the fan yesterday in front of the national media, possibly upon the insistence of Pawlenty himself, as the above-reported comments to CNN by an anonymous presidential aspirant indicate."

94 posted on 07/29/2010 1:07:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Jack Black

“Well, it’s fun to bait the Palin lovers.”

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Condescend much?


95 posted on 07/29/2010 1:09:17 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Jack Black
IMO...we could use more people like Palin to call out the MarxistSocialistLiberal Democrats......

At least she's over some targets and dropping some bombs.

A heckofalot more than I'm doing sitting here....typing this.

And for that I admire her....

96 posted on 07/29/2010 1:10:16 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Jack Black

When I see William Kristol supporting Palin, and being her “briefer” for VP I think two things. 1) Not again! and 2) I want a candidate who doesn’t need a briefer.


In the 2008 race, Palin was #2 on the ticket. She had to follow the direction of the campaign. You can’t have a VP candidate opposing the position of the top of the ticket or refusing to be briefed.

All candidates have briefers and advisors. The whole concept of “Going Rogue” was about getting around the McCain advisors. As she mounts a run at the White House, you will see a candidate who takes charge of their own campaign.

As far as having a thought-out philosophy, she has stated her positions in many speeches, Facebook postings on various subjects, and in her book, but you will not see them on the news. They will just call her a radical ultra-conservative and talk about her family. What is Romney’s thought-out philosophy or Newt’s? Whatever they are seem less consistent than Palin’s.

There’s no need to jump on anyone’s bandwagon this early, but in Palin’s case, that bandwagon is already gaining speed.


119 posted on 07/29/2010 1:32:56 PM PDT by excopconservative
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To: Jack Black

Jack — I understand where you’re coming from. I do appreciate Sarah, though I am not a “Palinista,” as some here have called me. I just don’t LIKE the knee-jerk Palin-bashers. You DON’T seem to be one. You’re concerns are understandable. I share most of them. Oh — I wouldn’t call myself a “Palin lover” either. Um, that would just be wrong.... :-)

You mentioned Bill Kristol as Sarah’s briefer — which was probably true during the campaign — but he HATES her now. Probably with good reason. Her Conservative instincts (in my view) PROBABLY tend to conflict with the generally STUPID inside-the-beltway pseudo-conservative bilge Kristol is so infamous for.

BTW — I hate the yerm “neo-conservative,” because so often it can simply be narrowly defined as either “Jew” or “Jew-lover.” I find THAT rather offensive (though I don’t believe you meant it that way at all). I am not a “neo-conservative,” though I am a supporter of Israel, and of Sarah Palin.

Thanks for being a THINKING critic of Sarah, Jack! At least some Discussion can follow!


125 posted on 07/29/2010 1:43:06 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Jack Black
When I see William Kristol supporting Palin, and being her “briefer” for VP I think two things. 1) Not again! and 2) I want a candidate who doesn’t need a briefer.

Candidates need a briefer, just not a handler. A briefer keeps the candidate up on current news and does some basic analysis beyond the headlines so the candidate doesn't make an off the cuff statement that gets them in trouble.

For example earlier today there was a thread that stated that Charlie Rangle had gotten a deal from the ethics committee. I read the headline and the excerpt and wrote a post slamming the weak spined GOP for cutting a deal with the slime. But it turned out that the Fox News headline and excerpt didn't mention that it was only a sub committee and that the deal had not been accepted. I looked like and ass, but since I'm just a message board warrior it doesn't matter. A candidate can't make that kind of mistake and a briefer is there to prevent it.

A handler tells the candidate exactly what to say and wrights scripts for them to read. That is what we don't want.
126 posted on 07/29/2010 1:45:06 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Jack Black
Anyone who can’t mop the floor with Katie Couric isn’t really the person I’m hoping for.
Nobody - not even Reagan himself - can do that in a taped interview. It was the McCain campaign's idea to give Couric access to Palin on those terms.
I'm very disappointed that McCain is that far up in the polls. So far up that either Sarah Palin's magic is so irresistible that we would be insane not to nominate her for POTUS, or else Hayworth unfortunately never had much of a chance in the first place.

166 posted on 07/29/2010 6:20:15 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Jack Black
Anyone who can’t mop the floor with Katie Couric isn’t really the person I’m hoping for.

Many politicians have had bad interviews, but went on to do well in their jobs. George W. Bush comes to mind.

I am amazed at the number of folks who bailed on Sarah, because she did a couple of less than stellar interviews within two weeks of being vaulted to the 2nd place on the National Republican ticket. There are folks who have been in office for years who still don't have the hang of national interviews.

171 posted on 07/29/2010 8:01:23 PM PDT by SuziQ
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