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MI Man not the Dad, but Owes the State Welfare Reimbursement Anyway
www.fathersandfamilies.org ^ | July 29, 2010 | Robert Franklin, Esq.

Posted on 07/29/2010 12:29:32 PM PDT by fathers1

One of my first jaw-dropping experiences in the fathers’ rights arena came back in 1999. I was researching the phenomenon of men who had learned after the fact - and sometimes long after the fact - that they’d fathered a child. I was interested in what happened to their parental rights if a mother kept a man’s child secret from him. I was astonished to learn that the rights of such a dad could vanish into thin air. The rule in many states was that, since he hadn’t actively cared for the child, he had no more claim to it. The fact that the mother had intentionally deprived him of the ability to do that often made no difference to courts.

So I had lengthy conversations with a number of those dads, one of whom lived in Lompoc, California. He’d had a one-night stand with a woman 16 years previously. They both lived in the same community, but she decided he didn’t need to know about it when she became pregnant and gave birth to his daughter. Then she started receiving AFDC payments (now TANF) from the state which were required to be reimbursed by the father. Fifteen years later, the dad received a letter from the State of California saying (a) he had a daughter and (b) he owed the state over $40,000. This was shortly after he’d gotten married. He had to get a second mortgage on his house to pay off the state.

This case is very much the same, but in fact much worse (WXYZ, 7/8/10). This time it’s the State of Michigan that’s suing Gary Harper for AFDC payments made to a woman named Dorothy Hoose. She had a son in 1988 and named Harper as the dad. There’s just one problem, though; he’s not.

But the State of Michigan isn’t interested in technicalities like who the actual father is. It’s known for many years that Harper is not the dad and, as far as I can tell, lifted nary a finger to find out who is. That’s because it’s got Harper on its line and the hook is set. Why go after another fish when you’ve already got one reeled in?

You see, when Hoose named Harper as the dad, he was in prison. According to Michigan law, the state has to pay for a DNA test for any inmate for whom it seeks to establish paternity. The state knew Harper was in the joint because a Friend of the Court sent correspondence there about his case. But it never offered him the genetic testing.

After he got out, he didn’t have the $500 it would have taken at the time to determine whether he was the dad or not. He didn’t do the test until years later, when he had the money. That test proved he wasn’t the dad, but it was too late. His window of opportunity for disproving his paternity had closed. That’s one of those technicalities the state is interested in.

So as of now, Harper’s on the hook for $22,500, down from the $50,000 the state claimed at first. He’s got an attorney, Susan Pushman, who says that the state’s failure to provide DNA testing when Harper was inside means it can’t complain that he didn’t do it on his own when he got out. If Michigan had done what it was obligated to do, it would have known Harper isn’t the father, is her argument. The case is pending.

The “child” in question is now 22 years old. Perhaps oddly, he and Harper have gotten to know and like each other pretty well. That’s a positive development in an otherwise tawdry affair.

It’s worth asking why the State of Michigan has expended such effort in trying to bankrupt a man it knows has no responsibility for Hoose’s son. After all, Harper has been trying to get his life back together after his time in prison, and he’s done a pretty good job of that. But if the state has its way, it’ll tear down whatever he’s built. Nice.

What truly escapes me is why state welfare authorities don’t just ask Hoose who the father is, do DNA testing on him and, if she’s right this time, demand payment. What’s the problem with getting the right man and letting the wrong one go? What state interest is served by soaking a man who’s not the father and letting the man who is go free? One of the points of child support is that he who fathers a child should be financially responsible for it. In Harper’s case, the State of Michigan has it exactly backwards.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: childsupport; fathersrights; michigan; paternityfraud
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To: OldPossum
One could do what the OldPossum did many moons ago: get a vasectomy.

"Zipped" or "snipped", that's the ticket...LOL.

41 posted on 07/29/2010 5:42:31 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
No, these guys wanted to play, now they must pay.

If I take my gun to the range, and shoot all day, but someone gets killed by someone else on the other side of town, should I do time for the murder?

No.

And the guys who aren't the father shouldn't get stuck with the father's tab, either.

You are advocating a miscarriage of justice based on a consensual act, the result of which (mere mutual gratification, without issue) does not justify the seizure of liberty or property for the stated reasons.

While I agree, in principle, that celibacy is the best course, the absence thereof is not just cause to rob these men under false pretenses if they are not the father.

42 posted on 07/30/2010 12:49:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
While I agree, in principle, that celibacy is the best course, the absence thereof is not just cause to rob these men under false pretenses if they are not the father...

Pretty amazing, isn't it...in the minds of many, commit the act and throw away your rights forever...anything goes.

That's sick and twisted. And, you guys who are single...absorb every bit of this twisted malice you can.

Guys should not get married; they should get vasectomies ASAP.

Or, as they say in a slightly different context...go Galt.

Give these sick birds (and society) what they're asking for.

Let them regret that it's not what they wanted.

43 posted on 07/30/2010 1:26:41 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: gogeo
Oh, I'm not single, I'm a great-grandpa, but still wrong is wrong, and right is right. It takes two to tangle, and whatever happens is between those two and God, as far as I am concerned, if there is no begetting done.

That's no cause for the State or its agents who represent the citizens of the State, out of laziness or petulence, to rob someone who is innocent of paternity for someone else's issue.

Supporting such just makes one a party to the larceny, imho.

44 posted on 07/30/2010 2:04:15 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
 
No, these guys wanted to play, now they must pay.

If I take my gun to the range, and shoot all day


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lolol
 
The irony of the metaphor you used does not escape me. After all, that's what these two guys in the story wanted to do; to take the guns to the range and shoot all day.
 
 


45 posted on 07/30/2010 6:30:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: fathers1; All
I lived in Michigan for 10 years. I have a close friend, who, back in the 90's, had his wife leave him because she was having an affair with her boss. Long story short: They divorced. Not only did he have to pay child support, he had to pay Alimony to her while she and her new lover shacked up in his house in front of his kids. TRUE STORY!!
46 posted on 07/30/2010 7:18:55 AM PDT by no dems (Palin/Jindal in 2012 or Jindal/Christie in 2012. Either is fine with me.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
After all, that's what these two guys in the story wanted to do; to take the guns to the range and shoot all day.

Yep. But they didn't 'kill' anyone. For all I know, they may have been shooting blanks...

47 posted on 07/30/2010 2:54:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If there was justice the mother would be ordered to pay back the excess plus a hefty fine for not notifying him. It would be interesting to know what she did with his money after the child died.


48 posted on 07/30/2010 3:04:59 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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