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Five Ways to Talk to the Left about Same-Sex Marriage (and to the Right, esp. Rush Limbaugh)
InsideCatholic ^ | July 29, 2010 | Eric Pavlat

Posted on 07/31/2010 8:07:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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This article is absolutely worth you time to read in its entirety. It is from a pont of view of secular society and the significance of marriage as a natural (not necessarily churchly) reality. It spotlights the emergence of compelling secular, social, and public-policy arguments which respect the indivual homosexual person and yet defend the permanent public value and significance of natural marriage.
1 posted on 07/31/2010 8:07:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Interesting read, but one thing that came to mind during the reading: When is the Catholic Church going to excommunicate those libtard idiot Catholics advocating same-sex marriage along with abortion (pro-choice), etc.?


2 posted on 07/31/2010 8:10:59 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Mrs. Don-o

GREAT POST.

THANKS MUCH.

STILL PRAYING, BTW.


3 posted on 07/31/2010 8:12:43 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Something else to point out is that civil marriage has nothing to do with love or God but is solely a matter of government and its major purpose is to provide access to divorce court.

This bit of government is necessary for a union of man and woman since it is not unknown that after the fire dies, selfishness and irresponsibility rear their heads, and consequences affecting far more than just the couple have occurred.

But why should it be necessary for a pair of homosexuals?

4 posted on 07/31/2010 8:50:10 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Re the headline: Limbaugh is not in favor of same-sex marriages. Although he does support civil unions. This is a substantive distinction. SS Marriage makes the statement that homosexual behavior is good. CUs don’t.


5 posted on 07/31/2010 9:06:54 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
my argument and they 'kinda' agree. Government shouldn't have anything to do with Marriage. Marriage shouldn't be a privilege as what a licenses creates.

Marriage should be by contracts mostly given out by large institutions such as the church.

That why we could have different types of marriages and everyone is happy.

6 posted on 07/31/2010 9:23:35 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Nice reasonable and logical, warm and fuzzy discussion gently expressing tolerance for the violently intolerant.

I prefer the old:

“You already have it, a gay guy has as much right to marry a woman as does the next guy.”


7 posted on 07/31/2010 9:28:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: ejdrapes; Vaquero; kbennkc; stockpirate; BornToBeAmerican; counterpunch; GinaLolaB; faucetman; ...

Ping-a-ling


8 posted on 07/31/2010 9:28:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' " . --- Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

KISS. Keep it simple. The problem is more fundamental. There is a federal ban on government being involved in religion, and marriage is a religious ceremony and institution.

Marriage should be left up to churches. End of story. The government should have no say in the matter.


9 posted on 07/31/2010 9:31:05 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
That's the other main one:

Government shouldn't have anything to do with Marriage.

Correct.

And to the liberal:

"What about your belief in 'separation of church and state'? So if marriage is a church thing, why should the state have anything to say about it period?"

10 posted on 07/31/2010 9:33:42 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Marriage should be strictly a religious bonding. Any contractural agreements attached to a marriage ought to be put in writing, signed by both parties, and adhered to, to the letter. Should divorce occur, the written contract MUST be followed. No more “punish the evil male” divorces as are the case now days.


11 posted on 07/31/2010 9:34:19 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

The license is about recording in order to prevent FRAUD.

We USED TO HAVE a voluntary non government system but it was fraught with abuse and fraud.

Marriage is an institution.
Society rewards the institution no the individual
Society rewards Marriabe BECAUSE it is not about the individual.

There is no love test. The love argument is the red herring used by homosexuals.
Marriage is how society guarantees its future.

Keep in mind traditional marriage is a common law construct and thus has BROAD protection.

Civil unions/homosexual based marriage are 100% statutory and thus interprited narrowly.

Rush’s/civil union advocates entire argument rests on the falacy of “born that way.”

We must have government involvement in order to protect inheritance, taxation, and offspring. Homosexuals contribute NOTHING to society’s future. NOTHING.

The libertarian stand you advocate is what homosexuals and the left want to do to marriage and society. Eliminate it.


12 posted on 07/31/2010 9:35:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: meyer

marriage law/divorce law changes annually.

Your premise utterly fails on the child support front.

In fact your argument falls full square of the lefts/ABA view of children as a mere acessory of sex.

Marriage is not based on popping orgasms.

Marriage is based on propagating society.


13 posted on 07/31/2010 9:39:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cranked

I have a radical idea-— what if the government just butts out completely and lets individuals decide for themselves if they wish to enter into mutual contracts like marriage or civil unions? There should be no tax benefits for that decision, no benefits accruing from entering or not entering into such contracts. The same can be said for the decision to have children. Why should single, childless adults have a larger tax liability? It is none of the governments’ business and all benefits or ill consequences for individuals’ decisions should be theirs alone.


14 posted on 07/31/2010 9:44:52 AM PDT by metalcor
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IOW you advocate the communist or socialist system of making marriage illegal.

das vidanya - komrad.


15 posted on 07/31/2010 9:48:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

without marriage there is no intestate inheritance.

without marriage there is no widow’s/widower’s share inheritance. (the percentage of inheritance that can not be forbidden a spouce via a will. The guaranteed inheritance to the spouse absent an upheld pre/post nup)

without marriage and intestate inheritance there is no property rights.


16 posted on 07/31/2010 9:51:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Quix

Here’s a shorter article on civil marriage:

Marriage: Not so Gay.

http://stumpedagain.wordpress.com/marriage-not-so-gay/


17 posted on 07/31/2010 9:52:20 AM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: metalcor

ps: office depot has the cohabitation agreement you want. As do any other office supply stores.

You can do that now.

The homosexuals political hacktivists do not want that.

The free market overwhelmingly does not want that.


18 posted on 07/31/2010 9:55:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cookcounty

LOL

“What do they think Marriage is, a sex license?”


19 posted on 07/31/2010 9:59:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cookcounty

EXCELLENT ARTICLE.

It’s a farce issue anyway.

less than what . . . 2% of ‘gays’ marry . . . and extremely few of those stay married.

And even married, they are still humping whatever wiggles by.


20 posted on 07/31/2010 10:01:48 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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