Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

It's a great tactic, makes for a great sound-byte, generates incredible excirement, best of all really sticks it to the 'Rats where sleepless nights are only the beggining of their problems but at the end of the day is merely political. Notice NcConnell saying "in need of review", not amending or revoking. And what if the review calls for amending the Constitution? Any revision requires a herculean political effort, support of which is just not there.
1 posted on 08/03/2010 8:18:02 AM PDT by lbryce
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
To: lbryce

Of course, it is without exception being reported as “wanting to change the 14th Amendment”, no doubt to instill that very thought — “amend the Constitution!? he’s crazy!” — in the audience.


2 posted on 08/03/2010 8:20:49 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

I seriously doubt the framers of the 14th intended for it to be misread the way it is today, and to grant citizenship to children of aliens, with no ties to this nation.


3 posted on 08/03/2010 8:20:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

All it takes is the Congress to draft a Constitutional amendment and offer it on the floor to bring about a Convention. Unfortunately, these are not the right times to open up the Constitution to liberal/progressive changes. The asshats in the early 20th century did enough damage!


4 posted on 08/03/2010 8:21:57 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

What part of “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” do these people fail to understand. Applying the 14th to freed slaves was appropriate. Twisting the ruling to create anchor babies was not.


6 posted on 08/03/2010 8:22:44 AM PDT by Ingtar (If he could have taxed it, Obama's hole would have been plugged by now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
Graham, who had considered working with Democrats on immigration reform earlier this year, told Fox News last week that “birthright citizenship is a mistake.”

Ya think! Does it really require hearings by "constitutional experts" to come to this conclusion? It's flat-assed wrong...period...end of hearings...end of discussion.

7 posted on 08/03/2010 8:23:15 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

Mark Levin says the 14th in no way says any baby born here is a citizen.


8 posted on 08/03/2010 8:23:29 AM PDT by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

There is no need to change anything. There is a need to have hearings to clarify that nobody born to illegals is automatically a citizen. Especially when it involves Kenyans....


10 posted on 08/03/2010 8:26:01 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NOVEMBER-2-2010!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

Review???

How about just repeal it...Since there are not a lot of elected officals anywhere that understand the true intent of the Amendment...

I’m ok with just tossing it up on the trash heap of abuses this government continues to throw onto the people...

Just my opinion...


12 posted on 08/03/2010 8:31:45 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

It’s a con job on Republicans and Americans in general, a way to push another amnesty scam that will make the anchor baby issue moot. The GOP has bought the ridiculous premise that continuing to play the amnesty game will somehow cause Hispanics to abandon the Democratic Party, and become the new backbone of the Republican Party. Yes, it is idiotic, contrary to all evidence, but that is their spiel. Don’t buy this con job about anchor babies unless it comes with a determination to stop with the amnesty programs, seal the borders, and crack down on the employers of illegals. Graham is nothing but an aisle crossing slut.


13 posted on 08/03/2010 8:31:52 AM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

What’s really controversial? The concept that someone can come here illegally, jump across the border, have a child, and that child will be a full American citizen. That doesn’t even make sense, and it’s a distortion of the 14th. Foreign diplomats are guests who come here legally, but their children don’t become citizens by virtue of being born here. What makes people think aliens who are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US, owe no allegiance to the US, and come here in direct violation of our laws have more rights than diplomats?

As for Republican politicians, I don’t trust any of them. They’ve been in the majority before, and they blew it! Incumbents in both parties need to be bloodied next election. Only the fear of being tossed out of office will reign these jokers in.


15 posted on 08/03/2010 8:32:52 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
GOP Leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in Need of Review

Review? It needs tested. While there seems to be the " under the jurisdiction thereof" issue, it is clear it's authors never intended what it has become.

AZ should pass a law stating it will no longer issue birth certificates to offspring of illegals. They should issue instead records of live birth. Hell, if that's good enough for Obama, it should be good enough for the anchor babies.

What's Obama gonna do about it? Challenge AZ on preemption or supremacy? I thought immigration issues were the sole responsibility of the feds.

16 posted on 08/03/2010 8:33:18 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

Russell Pearce has the right idea as usual. Although he has all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop, Pearce’s direct approach is correct: pass it and let the 5-4 SCOTUS decide. On SB1070, he said he “wrote it to win 5-4 in the Supreme Court”. And he is about to push anti-birthright citizenship legislation as well. The SCOTUS has NEVER definitively ruled on this, only on the offspring of LEGAL Chinese immigrants at the turn of the 20th Century. This is the way to go. There is lots of commentary and notes by the drafters of this amendment to show that the intent was to do the opposite of what has been interpreted.


21 posted on 08/03/2010 8:45:32 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told The Hill on Monday that Congress “ought to take a look at” changing the 14th Amendment, which gives the children of illegal immigrants a right to U.S. citizenship.

Typical RINO ruse. The 14th says no such thing.

22 posted on 08/03/2010 8:45:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
Why don't we just enforce our existing laws? Oh, that's right, our president for some strange reason doesn't think we should.
25 posted on 08/03/2010 8:50:51 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

When you look back at the track record of the GoP leadership the last few years, one can only wonder what could have been..

-anwr could be a producing oil field(but Norm Coleman said No, he was the 60th cloture vote to enact energy legislation that could have made a difference to all of us.

-nuke plants could actually be under construction.

-all the wasted money on renewable energy could have been used to actually foster growth and not stifle it and chase pie in the sky.

But, we would have needed some leaders with ‘cojones’, huh?

I used to think Mitch had ‘it’... and got ‘it’.

No longer.

Any gains in either the House and Senate should also result in new blood and new leadership and not a return to mugwumpian politics and a repeat squandering of power.


26 posted on 08/03/2010 8:53:16 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
Technically there's no need for a constitutional change since the original intent of "subject to the jurisdiction" excluded those here illegally. Congress could simply clarify it legislatively as they did with the Indian Citizenship Act.

However realistically when you have liberal activists like Kagan on the USSC who flatly state that precedent overrules original intent then a constitutional amendment may be the only hope.

28 posted on 08/03/2010 9:05:47 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
Amendment 14, Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

In reading statutes or contracts, "and" is conjunctive. Its clear language means that you must both be born or naturalize, and must be subject to its jurisdiction.

It is quite plain and there is no wiggle room.

32 posted on 08/03/2010 9:14:17 AM PDT by AndyJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce

Good luck amending the 14th....Not with the Dems and Liberal RINO GOP voting to change it.

Do you think a Liberal RINO like Mitch McConnell will change the 14th Amen.?

All that needs to be done to stop anchor babies is to give the mother of the illegal kid a choice: A. Kid stays and you and your family return to Mexico. or B. The kid goes with you and the family back to Mexico.

The kid has birthright....not the parents. Deport the parents and the rest of the family. You will stop the anchor baby nonsense


38 posted on 08/03/2010 10:07:07 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: lbryce
that has been interpreted to provide that, if you are born in the United States, you are a citizen no matter what

No it hasn't. Wong Kim Ark dealt with the children of legal aliens.

The subject of illegal aliens has never come up.

Intentionally. Because their supporters realize what would happen.

42 posted on 08/03/2010 10:41:48 AM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Finally! For the love of God and all that is Holy, put the requirements of citizenship BACK to the states where it belongs!


44 posted on 08/03/2010 11:24:36 AM PDT by wasp69 (space for rent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson