200,000 Android devices sold every day

Google CEO Eric Schmidt has said today that about 200,000 new Android devices are now being sold daily, leading to huge growth in revenue for the search giant thanks to mobile search traffic.

When asked about the recent studies showing Android outpacing the iPhone handily, Schmidt added: "People are finally beginning to figure out how successful Android is. The number was about 100,000 (a day) about two months ago. It looks like Android is not just phenomenal but incredibly phenomenal in its growth rate. God knows how long that will continue."

While Google does not directly gain revenue from Android (which is free and open source), the more successful the operating system is, the more people are connected to the Web from their mobile phones, leading to an increase in search.

"Trust me that revenue is large enough to pay for all of Android's activities and a whole bunch more," Schmidt added, via Cnet. "I should also say that we love the success of the iPhone because the iPhone also uses Google's search and we get a chunk of that revenue when people search on the iPhone."

Google search is free and its still a product.

Thank you for making my point. A bit earlier you said "They [Google] come out with an OS, with no prior consumer product or OS ever." Now you say Google's search is a product. Please reconcile your conflicting statements.

Now on to my point for this thread. A person buys a phone, a Droid X, an EVO 4G, any one of dozens of phones by several manufacturers that run Android, all of which compete with the iPhone.* If you walk up to your carrier and say "I want to buy Android," the salesman will help you choose a phone that runs Android. He will not hand over a product called "Android."

* Actually, not quite true. The smartphone market is getting divided between low-end and high-end. You can get an Android phone for $50, less if you happen to get a two-for-one sale like I did. This is in the price range of feature phones, making the decision to upgrade to an Android only a question of the data plan. I'm betting the bulk of regular sales comes from this.

In contrast, the last-gen, low-end iPhone at its end-of-life sell-out price still goes for $100, no two-fer deals. A current-gen low-end iPhone goes for $200, and up to $300.

As with computers, Apple targets only the high-end of the market where there's more profit margin. Consequently, the iPhone's real competition (what may steal a sale from an iPhone for someone who has the $200-$300 to spend) is limited to a relatively small selection of Android phones, such as the Droid X, EVO 4G, Captivate and Incredible. I'm not even counting carrier availability.

Thank you for making my point. A bit earlier you said “They [Google] come out with an OS, with no prior consumer product or OS ever.” Now you say Google’s search is a product. Please reconcile your conflicting statements.

ROFL!
Are you for real?
First you claim that something cannot be a product unless it's for sale. I turn round and point out that IE 8 from Microsoft, Microsoft Security Essentials and Google’s search are all products, and they all still come for free.
Then you come up with this laughable retort?
Say tell me, do you know the difference between a product and a consumer product?
For example, IBM mainframes are products. What they are definitely NOT though are consumer products.
But wait, according to you nothing is even a product at all unless someone is selling it, If Microsoft spend hundreds of millions of dollars every tear to develop IE and then give it away then according to you, its not a product at all.
Get back to me when come back to your senses will ya?

If you walk up to your carrier and say “I want to buy Android,” the salesman will help you choose a phone that runs Android. He will not hand over a product called “Android.”

Umm..that is not the definition of what a “product” is.
The definition of a product is not given by what you can and can't buy in a cell phone shop being run by a cell phone carrier.
Again, IE8 is a product, which Microsoft spends millions of dollars on every year, and which comes with most Windows PC’s. You still can't walk into Best Buy and say, "Hey, I want to buy IE 8”. That doesn't make IE8 any less of a product than anything else that is sold at Best Buy.
You are getting more confused by the minute, and redefining words in the English Language.
Fortunately, its not up to Applebots to tell us what a word means or doesn't mean in English.

The smartphone market is getting divided between low-end and high-end..............In contrast, the last-gen, low-end iPhone at its end-of-life sell-out price still goes for $100, no two-fer deals. A current-gen low-end iPhone goes for $200, and up to $300.

Nope.
It's like the PC market. I can get a fully featured PC with more features and higher specs at a much lower price than a higher priced Apple mac.
The Androids are high end smartphones alright, sporting great screens, high end processors etc. (The HTC EVO 4G and Incredible are better than the iPhones) The only thing is, Apple likes to screw people with high prices. That's why Apple is still stuck at less than 4% market share after over 30 years of selling personal computers.

Are you for real?

Yep, it's real, you just got smacked down by your own words. I let you set yourself up. Had Google released a consumer product or not before Android? You said no. Now you seem to be saying yes.

Say tell me, do you know the difference between a product and a consumer product?

Are you telling me that Google search is a "product" but not a "consumer product"? That absurd idea is the only direction you can weasel on this.

If Microsoft spend hundreds of millions of dollars every tear to develop IE and then give it away then according to you, its not a product at all.

A lot of products are free. The average consumer gets Firefox, antivirus, etc. free all the time. The average consumer does not get Android. He gets a phone loaded with Android. Mainly developers, hackers and hobbyists get Android as a standalone product, but that doesn't count towards the Android DEVICE sales figures you love to quote. Yes, they're counting sales of Android devices, not units of Android the OS shipped.

Yep, it's real, you just got smacked down by your own words. I let you set yourself up.

In Applebot alternate reality world perhaps. This happens to be real life. In real life I totally smacked you down and took apart your “Android is not a poduct because it's not for sale” theory.
You have been left with nothing to stand on.
Meanwhile, Android smartphones continue to clobber the iPhone in market share every month. Chortle!

“Had Google released a consumer product or not before Android? You said no. Now you seem to be saying yes”

Naaaah.
Accordingto you, Android is not a product.
Reality: Andriod IS a product.
Are all products consumer products? Nope.

“Are you telling me that Google search is a “product” but not a “consumer product”? That absurd idea is the only direction you can weasel on this.”

You: Android is not a product because you can't walk into a shop and buy it.
Me: Android is a product.
English language definition: Android IS a product.
You lose. I win.
End of story.

Again, IE8 is a product, which Microsoft spends millions of dollars on every year, and which comes with most Windows PC’s. You still can't walk into Best Buy and say, "Hey, I want to buy IE 8”

Now back to my original point that you have been making great efforts to distort. The statement was

"200,000/day is high volume, high production velocity for a product that complex."

Notice that the context is devices. The concept of high-volume, high-production for complex products cannot logically refer to software, where it's nothing to make 200,000 copies no matter how complex the software. Firefox 3.6 was getting millions of downloads (copies made) per *hour* at one point.

My accurate response was that Android is not *a* product in the sense of the post. The 200,000 figure of "product that complex" is, as I correctly stated, not one product called Android. The production of 200,000 phones per day is actually dozens of products being made by several companies in several different manufacturing plants.

A lot of products are free

Hey, according to you, Androidd is not a product because you can't walk into a shop and buy it, no?
So how come you are talking about “a lot of products are free” then? Going by your definition, IE8 is not even a product because you can't but it, no?

“The average consumer gets Firefox, antivirus, etc. free all the time. The average consumer does not get Android”

The average consumer downloads IE and Microsoft Security Essentials, and IE and MSE still cost Microsoft millions of dollars to develop every year, and are both very solid products. Being a product has nothing to do with whether you gotta pay for the product or not.
You have been blowing smoke for hours.
As for Android, millions of ordinary consumers have downloaded Android 2.2 from sites like this one:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/06/08/download-newer-motorola-droid-froyo-leak-frf57/

Now back to my original point that you have been making great efforts to distort

This is your original point:
“You (post # 39) : That's because it's not *a* product

Me (# 49) :Android IS a product. It's an operating system

You (Post # 50): Nobody sells Android. The dozens of phones loaded with Android are products, and they are sold.

You (Post # 62) : “If you walk up to your carrier and say “I want to buy Android,” the salesman will help you choose a phone that runs Android. He will not hand over a product called “Android.”

You are the one backpedaling and doing the distortion, not me. I have been quoting exactly what you said.

In real life I totally smacked you down and took apart your “Android is not a poduct because it's not for sale” theory.

You smacked down a strawman of your own creation. My point remains perfectly valid.

Naaaah.

How do you reconcile YOU saying Google hadn't released any consumer products prior to Android, and YOU claiming Google search is a product? Do you make the claim that Google search is not a consumer product?

You (Post # 50): Nobody sells Android.

Do you refute that claim? Does anybody sell a product called "Android"?

Do you refute that claim? Is there a product called "Android" that your carrier will sell to you? Or are there many products running Android your carrier will sell to you?

You are the one backpedaling and doing the distortion, not me.

From the beginning, which you so conveniently omit, the context is HARDWARE! You know, STUFF THAT GETS MANUFACTURED! Again for your reference my original statement with context you try to remove made explicit:

"That's because it's [Android] not *a* [as in one single] product [that is manufactured at the rate of 200,000 per day], but dozens of devices [contrary to *a* single device] made by several manufacturers [that have a combined manufacture rate of 200,000 per day]."

Go ahead, keep attacking your own strawman. You are only fighting against yourself. My statement above, with context not dishonestly removed by you, is absolutely true.

The average consumer downloads IE and Microsoft Security Essentials, and IE and MSE still cost Microsoft millions of dollars to develop every year, and are both very solid products.

Which of the following describes each of those products individually?

A: A complex device with lots of complicated parts that have to be exactingly put together so that 200,000 manufactured per day would be an impressive number for any one company to achieve.

B: Software where 200,000 copies made by download per day is easy, and millions of downloads per hour is no problem for one single company to achieve.

If you choose Answer B, then you are correct. Unfortunately for you, the context of the conversation was Answer A, so what you are trying to catch me on has no relation to my claim.

"English language definition"

A, a /eɪ/

–indefinite article
1. not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
2. a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
3. another; one typically resembling: a Cicero in eloquence; a Jonah.
4. one (used before plural nouns that are preceded by a quantifier singular in form): a hundred men (compare hundreds of men ); a dozen times (compare dozens of times ).
5. indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.
6. one (used before a noun expressing quantity): a yard of ribbon; a score of times.
7. any; a single: not a one.

Android is not [a single or a particular] "product that complex" [context: that is manufactured at the rate of 200,000 per day].

English language with context. I win. You lose.

Using an Applebot dictuionary and making thuings up again huh?
PRODUCT:
1. Something produced by human or mechanical effort or by a natural process
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/product

Android is an operating system that is produced by human effort.
YOU LOSE for the 50th time..yet again.
Sorry!
And Android smart phones, which run Android OS, which is a product, are still CLOBERRING the iPhones in sales every month, and I am still laughing at you.

Which of the following describes each of those products individually?</p>

The dictionary is very clear about what a product is:

prodÂ·uct (prdkt) n. 1. Something produced by human or mechanical effort or by a natural process. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/product

Show Spelled[prod-uhkt, -uhkt] Show IPA Â–noun 1. a thing produced by labor: products of farm and factory; the product of his thought. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/product

Every single one of IE 8, Microsoft Security Essentials, Android is a product. They are produced by labor, they are produced by doing a lot of thought and putting in a lot of effort. Luckily for mankind, deranged Applebots don't get to tell us what English words mean to suite their agenda. Steve Jobs did not invent the English language. Heck Jobs has never invented anything in his life.
You lose..yet again. He is good at copying what others have already created and claiming they are Apple's inventions though.

Do you refute that claim? Does anybody sell a product called “Android”?

Repeat: You don't need to sell a product before it becomes a product. You can give a product out for free and it's STILL a product. It says so in the dictionary.
Get it?

“From the beginning, which you so conveniently omit, the context is HARDWARE! “

From the beginning, (which I meticulously and chronologically quoted from you in my previous post), you flatly stated that Andriod is not a product.
I turned round and patiently pointed out to you that Andriod IS an OS and is therefore a product, same as IE8 is a product and Microsoft Security Essentials is a product.
Again, you DON'T need to sell something before it becomes a poduct.
But that never stopped you in your attempt to prove that black is white. You just kept right on pushing your insane idea that Android is not a product. Well ..IT IS.

“You are only fighting against yourself. My statement above, with context not dishonestly removed by you, is absolutely true.”

ROFL!
If you were talking about hardware, how come you kept right on defending your “Android is not a product” garbage in subsequent posts after that, and even proceeded to dig yourself further into the hole by claiming that because you can't walk into a shop and buy Android, so therefore Android is not a product?
You are the one that is busy wiggling and twisting and changing positions faster than a a cat with its feet in hot fire. You don't even know what your position is on any issue from one post to the other.

My point remains perfectly valid.

Your post remains valid like Apple is beating Android n market share and sales.
Oh wait..it is Android that is busy clobbering the iPhone in sales/market share every single month, and Android is still growing at a stunning 886%, over ten times faster than iPhone sales!!!

“How do you reconcile YOU saying Google hadn't released any consumer products prior to Android, and YOU claiming Google search is a product?”

Same way an IBM mainframe is a product but then the same IBM mainframe is NOT a consumer electronics product.
Most products are not consumer products. Get it?
But hey, according to you, Android is not for sale so therefore it's not a product, no?
Chortle!

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