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Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/5/10 | Eric Talmedge - ap

Posted on 08/05/2010 12:26:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

China may soon put an end to that.

U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: chinese; dongfeng; missile; pacific

1 posted on 08/05/2010 12:26:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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anyone else curious as to how much of the technology to build such a missile has been stolen or given to them via a Presidential approved technology waiver earlier on in the missile research&development programs run by the PRA?


2 posted on 08/05/2010 12:28:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m not sure why they need the Dong Feng 21D given the extent that we are in hock to them. I believe our vulnerable financial position alone will suffice to checkmate us should China decide to make any moves on Taiwan or S. Korea.


3 posted on 08/05/2010 12:29:20 PM PDT by DrC
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To: NormsRevenge

Here’s a list of possible suspects:

Bill Clinton.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 12:29:47 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wasn’t LORAL involved as well?


5 posted on 08/05/2010 12:30:52 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: NormsRevenge

You can thank Billy-boy Clinton and his administration for this development. Much of our technology was compromised during the time he was chasing quiff around the Oval Office. I went on a tour of China two years ago (I speak Mandarin thanks to the DLI at Monterey) and everyone I talked to just thought he was the best guy ever. They just loved Bill from Beijing to XiAn to Shanghai. Now I see why.


6 posted on 08/05/2010 12:32:05 PM PDT by harrym
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To: NormsRevenge

Don’t they figure that a conflict where the PRC was using missiles to attack US carrier battle groups would go nuclear real fast?


7 posted on 08/05/2010 12:32:13 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: NY Attitude

Yup.


8 posted on 08/05/2010 12:33:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: NormsRevenge

Typical Chinese solution - a cheap, relatively easy, and dangerous.

These are balistic missiles. The US, and even the Russians, did not develop anti-ship ballistic missiles because their launch and trajectory can easily be mistaken for a nuclear missile launch.


9 posted on 08/05/2010 12:36:43 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: NormsRevenge

Call me skeptical. Using a ballistic missile to track and hit a moving target seems like a task out of their reach. The weapon would need some sort of external source to update the trajectory.....perhaps a satellite, land based, or sea based system. In a conflict, that would be the weak point and the first thing to go.


10 posted on 08/05/2010 12:37:55 PM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like a few upgrades were made to the C-803 missile.


11 posted on 08/05/2010 12:40:19 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The answer is called the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3, aka SM-3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-3

It already exists. Its is already sitting in the VLS cells of Aegis class cruisers and destroyers.

The USN has problems (not the least of which is Obama), but it ain’t stupid and this is old news.


12 posted on 08/05/2010 12:45:08 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: All

The Obama presidency has already guaranteed that China will be more powerful.


13 posted on 08/05/2010 12:51:03 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: NormsRevenge
It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes. The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan. U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate. "We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.

Obama wets his pants and backs down... again.

14 posted on 08/05/2010 12:51:16 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: NormsRevenge

I am sure the AP is hoping for that


15 posted on 08/05/2010 12:51:50 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: edpc

Inertial guidance as a stand alone guidance system is pretty accurate.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 12:56:20 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: NY Attitude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21

The Dong-Feng 21 (DF-21; NATO reporting name CSS-5 - Dong-Feng literally means “East Wind”) is a two-stage, solid-propellant, single-warhead medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) developed by China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy. Development started in the late 1960s, and was completed around 1985-86 but was not deployed until 1991. It was developed from the JL-1 missile launched from submarines and is China’s first solid-fuel land-based missile. The U.S. Department of Defense estimates that China has 60-80 missiles, and 60 launchers.

Originally developed for strategic purposes, the DF-21’s later variants were designed for both nuclear and conventional missions. As well as a nuclear warhead of around 300kt, it is thought that high explosive, submunition and chemical warheads are also available. The latest DF-21D was said to be the world’s first and only anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). The DF-21 has also been developed into space launcher and anti-satellite/anti-missile weapon carrier.


17 posted on 08/05/2010 12:58:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

DF-21D (CSS-5 Mod-4) Anti-ship ballistic missile

The US Department of Defense has stated that China is developing a conventionally-armed[9] high hypersonic[1] land-based anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) based on the DF-21,[10] with a range of up to 3,000 km (1,900 mi). This would be the world’s first and only ASBM and the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving aircraft carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers.[11][12] These would combine manoeuvrable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system. Such a missile may have been tested in 2005-6, and the launch of the Jianbing-5/YaoGan-1 and Jianbing-6/YaoGan-2 satellites would give the Chinese targeting information from SAR and visual imaging respectively. The upgrades would greatly enhance China’s ability to conduct sea-denial operations to prevent US carriers from intervention in the Taiwan Strait.[13]

China has recently launched a series of satellites to support its ASBM efforts:[citation needed]

* Yaogan-VII electro-optical satellite - 9 December 2009
* Yaogan-VIII synthetic aperture radar satellite - 14 December 2009
* Yaogan-IX Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) constellation (3 satellites in formation) - 5 March 2010.[14]


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:06:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

19 posted on 08/05/2010 1:07:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Development history.
http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/missile/df21.asp


20 posted on 08/05/2010 1:08:18 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

[The Dong-Feng 21 (DF-21; NATO reporting name CSS-5 - Dong-Feng literally means “East Wind”)]

Breaking wind from the East..


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:12:12 PM PDT by rahbert (Come heavy or don't come at all)
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To: PGR88
Its ballistic and its launch would in all likey hood be seen from orbit.

The US Navy SM-3 (RIM-161) is designed to deal with such systems.

If the chinese system can manoever in atmospher its speed is going to be farily low (by rentry vehicle standards) and may be with in the SM-2 engagement envelope.

22 posted on 08/05/2010 1:21:32 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: rahbert

“East Wind, Rain” was one of three possible “execute” messages which Japanese diplomats around the world had been alerted to begin listening for on November 19th. They were told to monitor the regular news and weather broadcasts from Tokyo, just as they always did, but to pay especially careful attention to the phraseology employed to describe the weather.

If they heard the words “North Wind, Cloudy,” it meant war with the Soviet Union.

If they heard the words “West Wind, Clear,” it meant war with the British Empire.

And if they heard the words “East Wind, Rain,” it meant war with the United States.


23 posted on 08/05/2010 1:22:54 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 558 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: edpc
Using a ballistic missile to track and hit a moving target seems like a task out of their reach.

With an initial estimate within a hundred miles or so, finding a flat metal flight deck on water shouldn't be that hard. The rest is software.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 1:27:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Little Ray

Agreed.

Other “super weapons” previously hyped by a credulous media, that will destroy America’s military superiority/inflict massive unsustainable casualties:

T-80 Tank;
MiG 25;
TU-22 Backfire Bomber;
Typhoon Class SSBN;
Akula Class/Project 971 SSN;
Kilo Class SS;
SS-25 Mobile ICBM;
Iranian Speedboat Flotillas...

Anyone else?


25 posted on 08/05/2010 1:33:13 PM PDT by hc87
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To: hc87
Anyone else?

Nazi Panzers? Confederate Ironclads?
26 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:21 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: DrC

China won’t move on S. Korea, they are a big investor and trading partner; Taiwan is another kettle of fish.


27 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:29 PM PDT by steve8714 (Our long national nightmare is over. We can resume our proper disdain for soccer.)
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To: DrC

China won’t move on S. Korea, they are a big investor and trading partner; Taiwan is another kettle of fish. I think these Chinese are more into hegemony than conversion.


28 posted on 08/05/2010 1:45:39 PM PDT by steve8714 (Our long national nightmare is over. We can resume our proper disdain for soccer.)
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To: DrC

China won’t move on S. Korea, they are a big investor and trading partner; Taiwan is another kettle of fish. I think these Chinese are more into hegemony than conversion.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 1:45:40 PM PDT by steve8714 (Our long national nightmare is over. We can resume our proper disdain for soccer.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Naw man... we have FReepers that stated in a thread yesterday that china is the next America... that these Capitalists are creating the most free nation on earth. Truth is... they are still a bunch of maoist commie murderers.

LLS

30 posted on 08/05/2010 1:47:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: NormsRevenge

And this would stop us how? The super-carrier is not the thing China needs to worry about. The Seawolf and Virgina class subs are the difference makers.

How is the missile going to avoid the Aegis Phalanx? When bullets meets supersonic missile, physics take over.


31 posted on 08/05/2010 2:02:45 PM PDT by Azeem (The world will look up and shout "Save us!"... And I'll whisper "No.")
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To: NormsRevenge

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32 posted on 08/05/2010 2:08:59 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32 frwv)
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To: steve8714

“China won’t move on S. Korea, they are a big investor and trading partner”

Maybe, but the relationship is ambivalent. As noted in this article, Korea used to be China’s vassal state.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/02/113_42199.html

What happens if N. Korea implodes? Is China going to accept a unified Korea having strong ties to the U.S.? I concur that the prospect of military action is much lower in Korea than in Taiwan, but I don’t think China differentiates that much between military and economic power. A “show of force” may well be thought to be a sensible action to parallel economic pressures China might wish to apply to S. Korea to get it to do its bidding.

My point is that what might have constituted “unacceptable” Chinese military behavior in the past is today far more likely to be grudgingly accepted by the U.S. on grounds they don’t want to rock the boat etc.


33 posted on 08/05/2010 2:13:26 PM PDT by DrC
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To: NormsRevenge

Hell, we already know that clinton gave them technology that is being used on ballistic missiles. Obastard will give them anything else they need.


34 posted on 08/05/2010 2:41:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Satan is a Democrat and Obama is his minion.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Take this with a grain of salt. This is the media that only found out the Gulf of Mexico oil spill was a Democrat hoax 104 days later than Rush Limbaugh.


35 posted on 08/05/2010 2:50:12 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I don't buy it.

Hitting a 3 x football field from 900miles away while it's traveling at 40knots...with a BALLISTIC missile?

And, it would have to penetrate AGEIS and Phallanx.

I call BS.

36 posted on 08/05/2010 3:47:55 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Bidimus1

Why worry if the Dems are not defeated in November we will not have any Carriers anyway.


37 posted on 08/05/2010 3:56:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Carry_Okie; Jack Hydrazine

Even if they could pull it off, there would be advanced warning of a ballistic missile launch. The Pacific fleet has 16 Aegis cruisers assigned with SM-2 and -3, which are capable of providing defense for the vessels. I have more confidence in our ablility to intercept the warhead over their ability to hit the intended target.


38 posted on 08/05/2010 3:58:10 PM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: Mariner

Agreed.....more AP overhyping, as par for the libtard rag.


39 posted on 08/05/2010 5:01:25 PM PDT by cranked
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks NormsRevenge.
...a game-changing weapon being developed by China -- an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).
Just curious -- how many Chinese live downstreat of the Three Gorges Dam?
40 posted on 08/05/2010 6:31:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Just curious -- how many Chinese live downstreat of the Three Gorges Dam?

Talk about "unrestricted naval warfare" ! ;-)

Actually, the best way to defeat China militarily is to use their population against them: 1.1 billion mouths need a LOT of food and water.

Cheers!

41 posted on 08/05/2010 9:11:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers


This is the photo from yahoo's page ...
42 posted on 08/06/2010 6:27:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: NormsRevenge


WALLMART + STUPID AMERICANS = THIS
43 posted on 08/06/2010 6:28:41 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Come on now.. Those whitewalls on the missile rigs are pretty spiffy.. available at your local WallMart too. the whitewalls, not the rigs. :-)


44 posted on 08/06/2010 9:24:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Wholeheartedly agree. The Russians have been working around the clock to keep the Chinese from expanding their business interests in Central Asia, and I suspect that it’s the Russians who funnel support to the Chinese Moslems. The Chinese are by and large not foolish enough to want a war with the US, because no matter how costly they might make it for us, we would literally annihilate them. However, people do not always act sensibly, as we have reminded numerous times, such as the election of 2008.


45 posted on 08/06/2010 4:08:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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