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To: Bringbackthedraft
Well, I guess they could have continued to fight instead of surrendering. Their population today would be about 2 million, and no real post war recovery to talk about. Maybe they should thank us for all the major investments that made their recovery possible?

Not true. An invasion was not necessary. The Japanese (who were being strangled by the blockade) were ready to agree to a conditional surrender (thus avoiding an invasion) BEFORE the bombs were dropped. The sticking point was whether they could keep the emperor. Truman, backed up by his bitter end New Deal advisors who wanted to eliminate all vestiges of the imperial regime, refused. Ironically, Truman finally agreed to such a conditional surrender when, after dropping of the two bombs, the Japanese still held out on this point. It was not necessary to INTENTIONALLY violate the ancient rules of war by INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies (many who lived in Nagasaki, the heart of Japanese Christianity) solely to promote terror.

33 posted on 08/06/2010 8:27:23 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

The japanese had ever intention of fighting for every inch of japan. They called it operation keshuga.

Estimates for the invasion handed to Truman before his decision to use the bomb:

US casualties: 1.75 to 4 million
Japanese casualties: 10 million minimum. Could have been 30 million including combat, starvation and disease.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Japan was still capable of doing massive damage at the end of the war.


66 posted on 08/06/2010 10:02:26 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Captain Kirk
Not true. An invasion was not necessary. The Japanese (who were being strangled by the blockade) were ready to agree to a conditional surrender (thus avoiding an invasion) BEFORE the bombs were dropped.

Certainly some Japanese realized the war was lost. Not all did. There was a (nearly successful) plot by the army to prevent the surrender after the bombs were dropped. There were American POWs in enemy hands dying every day. The Japanese were planning to release plague in Southern California (which we did not know at the time). Even if a surrender could have been effected without further combat deaths (which I doubt), American lives were still saved by our dropping the bomb and Japan's immediate surrender.

67 posted on 08/06/2010 10:05:22 AM PDT by magslinger (DISCLAIMER: No liberals were harmed in the making of this post. I'm sorry and will try harder.)
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Its all Iffy History. What if the assassination attempt on the emperor succeeded? Old ladies and Babies?? Ya mean like in Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, where there were also a lot of good christians? The fire bombing of Tokyo was probably equal to the A Bombs. Yeah, like it would have made a difference.


68 posted on 08/06/2010 10:23:21 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Captain Kirk

It was not necessary to INTENTIONALLY violate the ancient rules of war by INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies (many who lived in Nagasaki, the heart of Japanese Christianity) solely to promote terror...............................................................Its all Iffy History. What if the assassination attempt on the emperor succeeded? Old ladies and Babies?? Ya mean like in Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, where there were also a lot of good christians? The fire bombing of Tokyo was probably equal to the A Bombs. Yeah, like it would have made a difference.


69 posted on 08/06/2010 10:24:15 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Captain Kirk

“It was not necessary to INTENTIONALLY violate the ancient rules of war by INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies (many who lived in Nagasaki, the heart of Japanese Christianity) solely to promote terror.”

I do believe the US dropped leaflets WEEKS before dropping the bomb on each city - telling them to leave the city or be destroyed! Therefore, we did not “INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies;” they failed to leave the area with forewarning of the impending attack.

I guess you think it was Bush’s fault that hundreds died during Katrina too?!?! You think this even though FEMA recommended to the local authorities that they have a mandatory evacuation - three days BEFORE Katrina hit! Katrina upgraded from a Cat3 to a Cat5 in less than two days and local authorities STILL did not demand a mandatory evacuation until less than 24 hours before the storm actually made landfall!

Nice revision of history or are you just choosing to ignore it?


70 posted on 08/06/2010 10:36:56 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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