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To: reasonisfaith
You’d have to double or triple the pay to get liberals to enlist as readily as conservatives.

Not in this economy. All branches of the military are meeting their enlistment quotas. Reenlistments are at record highs. Advancement opportunities are at record lows because nobody is getting out.

You can look it up yourself.

The military is one of the last few jobs with full health benefits anymore. And paid leave. And the base pay + BAS + BAH, etc. --even for a lowly E5 like myself is pretty good. And you're under contract so your job is guaranteed for a few years anyways.

They don't need everyone to be liberal, --just the officers. Molding the enlisted ranks will be easy.

32 posted on 08/07/2010 11:40:57 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Good fail, drew. Nothing you posted says that liberals are enlisting as readily as conservatives. I guess if you go on and on about basic stats, it sounds like you’re addressing the point that was made.


33 posted on 08/07/2010 11:48:13 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Drew68

Judging from the people who are supposedly respected among military officers and what I’ve seen of their willingness to spit on the Constitution rather than defend it, that goal of the leftists may already be done.

That’s why we’re all so worried about whether Lakin will even be allowed to give his full argument on why the order he disobeyed was not lawful. People keep telling us (basically), “Oh, they never let people defend themselves.”

It’s giving the military a black eye, but I’m wondering if it’s just exposing that this critical part of infrastructure is just another one that’s already taken over.

The scary part is if the military can in any way make it so that Lakin can’t appeal his case in the civilian courts or file a different suit claiming he suffered personal and justiciable harm from someone besides Joe Biden “acting as president” after the President elect “failed to qualify” by Jan 20th. If the military can and does do that, then the takeover of the US military is near-complete.

And apparently to the cheering of so-called “conservatives” like yourself.


57 posted on 08/08/2010 5:49:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Drew68

Your scenario just doesn’t sound likely, from several angles.

A refusal to obey orders by large numbers of troops would turn a really bad political state of affairs into an even worse one.

The eligibility question would be magnified.


64 posted on 08/08/2010 9:14:38 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Drew68; All
“They don't need everyone to be liberal, —just the officers. Molding the enlisted ranks will be easy.”

I concur with your assessment. It has already started at the top. Admiral Mullin, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, is “liberal” in his views towards homosexuals serving openly serving in the military. He actively supports the President's call to repeal DADT. On this issue, he is way out of step with the rank and file. Although, sadly not as much as he would have been 20 years ago. The new personnel entering military service today have been too affected by the “Hollywood” mentality of popular culture.

71 posted on 08/08/2010 10:59:08 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Drew68; edge919

All y’all are leaving out something kind of important here. If 5000 troops stood up and refused to obey deployment orders, they would all heve to be charged, court martialled, and whatever comes with it. The publicity would be overwhelming, not to mention what an overload on the courts would be.


83 posted on 08/08/2010 4:06:46 PM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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