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Why Obama is not first 'imposter' president and won't be the last
CNN ^ | August 9, 2010 | John Blake

Posted on 08/09/2010 1:28:44 PM PDT by Vendome

"No one wants to admit that they got spanked in an election contest. It's always nicer to think the opponent somehow cheated the system. So yes -- Obama wasn't born here, Bush stole the election, Clinton won only because Ross Perot screwed up Bush's [the elder's] chances, Bush the elder won only because he demagogued Willie Horton. ... I could go back further."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: born; certifigate; citizen; natural
Dear Mr. John Blake: We don't care that we got spanked and fully expected it. We thought we would get Hillary and some how your guy magically whooped her but.

We needed one of them to teach a lesson to America about priorities and Barry provides that teachable moment nearly everyday.

In terms of Birth Certificate, heck, we would like to see one piece of evidence this guy ever walked the planet before 2006.

There is no paper trail.

I know more about Sarah Palin than I do Barry.

Frankly, I know more about Hillary than I do Barry.

However, let's set the Birth Certificate aside and posit this.

Barry admits to being born a dual citizen at birth.

One is wholly one thing or the other and that makes his birth a divided birth of allegiance.

He is not a "Natural Born Citizen" and it doesn't matter where he was born.

1 posted on 08/09/2010 1:28:47 PM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

John : I hate to say it buddy, but you need an enema badly .

You are full of stinky stuff right up to the brim.


2 posted on 08/09/2010 1:31:20 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Vendome

I smell David Axelrod behind this increase in “crazy birther” stories. Sorry, won’t work.


3 posted on 08/09/2010 1:32:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: Vendome

Reading this was a waste of time. He only wants to help the O get up off the floor.


4 posted on 08/09/2010 1:33:17 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Vendome

Actually, he may be the last...


5 posted on 08/09/2010 1:33:24 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Vendome

Reading this was a waste of time. He only wants to help the O get up off the floor.


6 posted on 08/09/2010 1:33:25 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Vendome

Why do people keep claiming that Obama has an “exotic” background? White teenager impregnated by a Black man who promptly abandons her and the grandparents are left to pick up the pieces. What is exotic about that? It happens all the time.


7 posted on 08/09/2010 1:33:59 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Dudoight

I only made it to the excerpt and decided to post it.

I am certain the rest is driveled puffery.


8 posted on 08/09/2010 1:35:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Dudoight

You said the twice . . . Are you sure?


9 posted on 08/09/2010 1:35:48 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
Dear Mr. John Blake: You are absolutely correct. Obama is not the first impostor. That would be Chester A Arthur. Like Obama he was not an Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 “Natural Born Citizen”.

Again, REGARDLESS of where he was born. (but that would be Kenya)

10 posted on 08/09/2010 1:37:52 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: nolongerademocrat

0bama is, and is of, ugliness. Nothing “exotic” about being the lowest scum on earth.


11 posted on 08/09/2010 1:38:15 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Vendome

“Proof of Obama’s citizenship has been presented: Two newspapers in Honolulu published announcements of his birth in Hawaii in August 1961. The Republican governor of Hawaii recently certified Obama’s birth certificate as legitimate.”

Oh really? She did this recently? And the newspaper announcements mean he was born there? REally.

Can’t we see the birth certificate? Is it really asking too much?

This article is pure mental masturbation and is not relevant to the simple discussion of the man’s qualifications.

No one is claiming he stole anything. WE are simply asking for information on the president of the United States.

PUre idiocy.

I will tell you one thing, he will not get away with this in 2012 if he runs. He will be dogged to produce the documents, all of them....


12 posted on 08/09/2010 1:38:42 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: Vendome

So what is the purpose, then, for spending all that money and effort to hide all his records...birth, education, health, etc....from the public...?


13 posted on 08/09/2010 1:38:56 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Vendome

Sometime in early 2013 at the latest, the fact that BO has never been President will be officially recognized. So will the fact that many public officials knew that, and committed treason.

All the obfuscation in the world that appears to work for the moment cannot prevent that future. It’s baked in, now.


14 posted on 08/09/2010 1:40:14 PM PDT by sourcery (Nazi is to Jewish as Progressive is to any combination of rich, white, male)
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To: Vendome

You know, it will be a very curios thing to see what he puts in his Present Liebarry.

With absolutely no papered past will this fiction just keep on going?

Will they suddenly find picture of him in his Sham-Wow Superhero costume, vanquishing dratted opponent, erh, criminals?

Those skinny azz legs aren’t going to be very impressive in tights.


15 posted on 08/09/2010 1:41:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: unkus

I hear ya.


16 posted on 08/09/2010 1:42:19 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Vendome

John:
Try this one on for size. Let’s say you have Barry resign and Joe becomes the President or whatever.

No problemo and now that I think of it, I know more about him than Barry and I use to do my morning runs right past his on Mt. Chanin.


17 posted on 08/09/2010 1:43:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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John:
Try this one on for size. Let’s say you have Barry resign and Joe becomes the President or whatever.

No problemo and now that I think of it, I know more about him than Barry and I use to do my morning runs right past his home on Mt. Chanin.

that was “run past his home every morning, on Mr. Chanin”

Fixed


18 posted on 08/09/2010 1:44:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

The jitters have set in ‘cause the articles keep rolling out.


19 posted on 08/09/2010 1:45:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Vendome

Seems CNN reporter never asked the good professor how many modern Presidents never revealed their Birth Certificate and College transcripts? For that matter, how many previous Presidents had no verifiable information on their resume’s. From a historical point of view, these are interesting details. I wonder why the good professor never considered them?


20 posted on 08/09/2010 1:48:07 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Vendome; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; FromLori; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :”No one wants to admit that they got spanked in an election contest. It's always nicer to think the opponent somehow cheated the system. So yes — Obama wasn't born here, Bush stole the election, Clinton won only because Ross Perot screwed up Bush's [the elder’s] chances, Bush the elder won only because he demagogued Willie Horton. ... I could go back further.

I followed the liberal Democrats trying to contest Bush 2004 (after 2000) looking pathetic and so thought the claim that Obama didn't win 2008 or isnt really president wouldnt fly (MSNBC LOVES the issue though. Matthews loves citing related polls.) .

I always predicted the economy would be what nailed Democrats more than anything else. Bill Clinton knew the economy was key, Not exactly sure what Obama’s political strategy is relative to economy besides to get white voters to hate him and trying to start race wars to stir up base voters. Talk about polarizing, and he was sold by the MSM as the racial healer.

21 posted on 08/09/2010 1:48:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Vendome
Mr. Blake: Would you now be complaining about the very same thing had John McCain won? Be honest you would. Seems his eligibility was challenged in two lawsuits. Then the Senate, in which Barry was a part of, had this thing called a resolution. Oh and Barry signed it. Weird. Seems like a setup to me but hey, you can it yourself:

The issue of Natural Born Citizen was brought against John McCain long before Barrack was nominated to the DNC as a Presidential Candidate.

In fact, in order to place McCain on the ballot, the United States Senate went so far as to craft the Senate Resolution 511 proclaiming John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.

There is a cloud over Barrack's birth, to be sure.  But the fact that still remains is his birth was of a divided nationality British and American.  One is wholly one thing or another but not completely two things at the same time.

Senate Resolution 511

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

 Now, let us take this simple and explore its hidden meaning.

 Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

They apparently have read the Constitution and have zeroed in on one clause that no law or legislative body has the right to amend.

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

 The term ‘natural born citizen’ is not defined, however other rulings by the Supreme Court, Congress, and other writings from such as John Bingham, do define what a ‘natural born citizen’ is. For sake of space I will only quote the following.

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z…

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they claimed to have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

 It sounds nice, but means nothing? Some fluff but again means nothing.

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

 Whom are they referring to, that was born ‘outside’ the United States and who deemed them eligible?

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

So the Senate gave by law, what nature failed to do. Would that not be a ‘naturalized’ citizenship?

So the Senate deemed that two (2) American or US Citizen parents was an essential to the definition of a ‘natural born citizen’ that was not defined in the Constitution. So how did they deem that the issue was being born outside the jurisdiction of the United States if they had no definition or requirements of what ‘constituted’ a ‘natural born citizen?’ It seems like they know the definition, but are hoping the American public doesn’t. There is but one defintion that a ‘natural born citizen’ has to have citizen parents and being born in country and that is Vattel’s Law of Nations.

As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the body’s approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.

Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.

“Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.”

The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their ‘Gentlemen’s Agreement’, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim “Oh, what a good boy am I.”

Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.

More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCain’s eligibility based on  being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is ‘born in country’. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.

Where is there a definition as to a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattel’s Law of Nations.

Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States. 

Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by the United States Constitution?


22 posted on 08/09/2010 1:50:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
Next thing you know we'll be having a finger wagging moment.

23 posted on 08/09/2010 1:50:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
'cause the articles keep rolling out"

Alex Jones called for all his world wide audience to make Barry Soetoro the number 1 search term today.

24 posted on 08/09/2010 1:51:39 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
 
Well here is a Birth Certificate from a guy no one ever heard of.
 

25 posted on 08/09/2010 1:52:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: sickoflibs

I have no idea what this moron’s strategy is, except it looks like he enjoys a one legged ass kicking contest.


26 posted on 08/09/2010 1:53:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Sorry, John. Your comparison doesn’t hold water. This guy is something entirely else. The only thing on him like those others you mentioned are the two legs, two arms and hands, two eyes, a nose and a mouth. No heart at all.


27 posted on 08/09/2010 3:01:27 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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Let them claim there is no long form.
 
1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.
 
2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
 
3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 
 
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

28 posted on 08/09/2010 3:18:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

C’mon John. Sign up just for today and let’s debate this.

Maybe we can “lesson” the problems with Barry O’s legitimacy and figure out how to get Joe into office.

Personally, I think he would be a hoot. Hilarious actually and if there is anything America needs right now is something to feel good about and Joe will bring us smiles and a little laughter.

And Joe just loves the waive the flag.

Makes my heart warm just thinking about it.


29 posted on 08/09/2010 3:21:06 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
See John, this is the problem:

We just don't like the guy.

Okay, so maybe you won't give us Joe, What about Hillary?

 

30 posted on 08/09/2010 3:25:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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"... The Republican governor of Hawaii recently certified Obama’s birth certificate as legitimate.”

The governor doesn't have the authority or the training to certify a birth certificate. She just said that a friend said that he thinks his records look authentic. I'm not sure she had the legal authority to allow a friend of hers to view those records.

31 posted on 08/09/2010 3:41:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Vendome

Your last sentence sums it up but that gets lost on this forum so many times.


32 posted on 08/09/2010 4:29:10 PM PDT by mcshot (Who is the power behind the MSM that is trying to take-down our Country?)
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To: Vendome

Precisely what are we looking at in the picture you posted?

It claims to be a copy of President Reagan’s “Certification of Vital Records”.

First, the date of issue is June 20th, 1991.

Second, the date of filing is 8-14-1942, which is the same date that the doctor signed the form attesting to having witnessed Ronald Reagan’s birth.

President Reagan’s certificate wasn’t filed for more than 33 years? Where was it in those three decades? Why wasn’t it signed before 1942?

How does this help your case in any way?


33 posted on 08/09/2010 5:25:43 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Just where does his lying mouth stop and his awesome hair begin?)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t know what to say....just laugh to myself for the thousandth time...


34 posted on 08/10/2010 3:55:06 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: Vendome

He’s been groomed and appointed by the New World Order because he’s the closest thing they could find to a person (I use the term loosely) with no past.
That way he wouldn’t be attacked, as they are still attacking Bush a year and a half later, and he had the perfect defense of sort of black skin. Can’t attack that.


35 posted on 08/10/2010 4:55:16 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Vendome

I’ve often thought that the birthers are just our version of those idiots who said Bush stole the election.


36 posted on 08/10/2010 5:20:36 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Vendome

Great find. Notice that it says on the card next tot he display, ‘Courtesy of the State of Illinois.’ Presumably Obama would post a copy of his original, long-form, signed certificate of live birth in his presidential library. Where’s the courtesy of the state of Hawaii when they can produce it now?? Will Obama post a jpg in his library instead of a real certificate??


37 posted on 08/10/2010 7:14:27 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Vendome

Still worth a read to see how ‘journalists’ are dealing with their tarnished icon.


38 posted on 08/10/2010 7:21:44 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Kleon

Really Kleon?

John McCain was sued twice with a focus on his eligibility and the Senate passed resolution 511 declaring him to be a Natural Born Citizen, of two parents, etc.

None of us feel like the election was stolen vis a vis 2000 Al Gore.

If John McCain and the rest of the candidates were all the RNC or whatever powers that be were going to offer us, many of us felt losing to Edwards, Hillary or even Obama was better for the country.

Why? We wanted to them to go all out crazy with their legislation and programs.

And the country needed to be taught a lesson.

The question is a Constitutional one, in that Barry was born with a divided nationality. So for starters, he cannot possibly considered, by anyone with a modicum of reasoning, to be a Natural Born Citizen.

The issue of the Long Form Birth Certificate was raised long before the messiahs ascendancy, which is why candidate Barry posted that Fake COLB, with Fact Check, an organization he strong ties to years before his run for Present.

If Hillary, Biden or even Nancy were to somehow become President, due Obama’s defect being proved or discovered, not one of us would have another word to say about it.

We aren’t arguing that we lost and are looking for some crazy azz way to win. That couldn’t happen if we wanted.

The guy is not NBC and that is the only gripe.

BTW, are you always so friendly and calling people idiots?

One assumes you are an adult would know better.


39 posted on 08/10/2010 8:26:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: RoadTest

Zactly.

He said as much in his book Audacity of Hope

“I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”


40 posted on 08/10/2010 8:40:03 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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