Posted on 08/16/2010 7:09:21 AM PDT by LorenC
Last week on the White House's YouTube channel, they answered a question from the mailbag and showed this:
Date of Birth: 04 Aug 1961
Place of Birth: Hawaii, U.S.A.
So what do you expect the conspiratorial response to this will be? That it's a fake passport? That the U.S. Passport office is in on the conspiracy? That YouTube videos aren't admissible in court, and thus this should simply be ignored and not acknowledged as evidence at all? That there's not an uninterrupted shot of the trip advisor unlocking the safe, taking out the folder, and pulling out and opening the passport, and thus they aren't convinced that the passport seen was actually in the folder?
Or maybe just a mix of all of the above, plus whatever other special pleading they can think of.
Then let's see an example or two. Surely if you know you wrote something, and when you wrote it, it shouldn't be hard to find and share.
I'll admit I'm skeptical. After all, in December 2008 you were claiming that you'd been researching Obama's eligibility "for more than a year," even though you don't appear to have had anything to say on the subject before June 2008. So forgive me if I'm hesitant to trust your temporal recollection.
I mean, if you were preaching "natural-born citizenship requires two citizen parents" from the beginning, I would have expected to see you mention such in posts like this. But you didn't. Strange thing to leave out if it was such an absolute, obvious disqualification.
But hey, I'm open to contrary evidence. If you were indeed preaching "natural-born citizenship requires two citizen parents" long before November 2008, then stand behind your words and link up the posts where you did so. And you'll get the added bonus of proving me wrong.
Yes, and yet the Birthers keep on keepin' on.
Even if he was a Kenyan citizen in addition to being a natural-born US citizen, the former would be irrelevant.
Dual citizenship is not an issue. If it were, every tinhorn dictator on earth would have a veto over US elections by granting the US President a Crackpotistan citizenship by decree.
Sorry, but this is probably one of the dumbest things ever posted here. Unbelievable.
So can I. Some clever fellow in his political staff realized that this was a way to poke the Birthers into another round of frentic ranting while maintaining plausible deniability ("we're just putting a picture of an interesting Presidential tchotchke on the web"). The Birthers react in predictable stimulus-response manner, and a few more independents get the impression that Obama's opponents are a bunch of crackpots.
Whoever thought of this one ought to get a raise.
3. Why on earth would he want to "be done with" a gift that keeps on giving?
"Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake." --Napoleon Bonaparte
Why is it that birthers think repeating obviously true, but irrelevant statements somehow helps their cause?
Abstract is not that which it is an abstract of.
So? As long as it is certified by the state, it is just as good as the original.
In fact, some guy regularly posts a list of Obama’s school, passport, records etc. Presidential candidates should open all of this information so we know who they are.
None of that information is relevant to Bambi's eligibility to be president. I agree he should release it in the interest of transparency, and the fact he refuses makes him an SOB, but he is under no legal obligation to do so. Unfortunately, if the voters were happy to vote for him anyway despite his lack of transparency, there's nothing we can do about it, except try to vote him out next time.
Even if he did fail to prove his eligibility, that's something to take up with the electors (who should not have voted for him if they were not satisfied that the was eligible) and with the members of Congress (who should not have certified the vote count if they were not satisfied that he was eligible).
I thought conservatives were supposed to be against judges sticking their noses into areas that the Constitution assigns to other branches of government.
How many of mine did you skip?
Since you did a search why don’t you post the results instead of those cherry picked to create the illusion that you want to prove?
Go back to even earlier to some of the very first COLB threads that weren’t even tagged with “certifiGate” and look there, or better yet some of the McCain threads that discussed his eligibility.
Or don’t and claim that I didn’t....
Go back to even earlier to some of the very first COLB threads that weren’t even tagged with “certifiGate” and look there, or better yet some of the McCain threads that discussed his eligibility.
That's a lovely example of Birther Tactic #2, as classified by LorenC:
On the occasions that the Birther is willing to actually stay on topic...the most common reaction is to refuse to provide any evidence for the factual claim they just made, and to instead tell the skeptic to go look for it himself. This not only allows the Birther to create work for the skeptic but not himself, but it also allows the Birther to claim that any failure to find evidence supporting his factual assertion is the fault of the skeptic questioning the alleged fact, rather than the fault of the Birther who made the questionable assertion.
Kudos to you, usmcobra, for staying true to the script!
Seriously, it's sad how predictable you birthers can be.
Dual citizenship is not an issue. If it were, every tinhorn dictator on earth would have a veto over US elections by granting the US President a Crackpotistan citizenship by decree.
Actually Dual citizenship is an issue that caused the Founding fathers to write the Natural Born Clause, it is the protection that prevents someone with divided loyalties from The Presidency.
As for the Crackpotistan argument, it only works IF the presidential candidate accepts Crackpotistan citizenship or the Congress does.
The belief that any other nation can bestow automatic citizenship on an American citizen against his wishes is perhaps the poorest argument you could make, but since Obama has recognized that he was a British Subject as well as a Kenyan citizen on his campaign websites I suppose you must continue to use that tactic.
Kudos to you, usmcobra, for staying true to the script!
You guys are using a script????
Damn! have Obama's people send me one!
By the way, I still laugh at how I prove you wrong about Mombasa and Jet Airliners.
Nope, that would be you birthers. You are very predictable in the way you argue. Every argument that you make almost always falls into one of the five categories listed at the following link:
http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/03/top-five-birther-debate-tactics.html
Hat tip to LorenC for laying out the birthers' script.
By the way, I still laugh at how I prove you wrong about Mombasa and Jet Airliners.
Yup. You proved me wrong on something totally irrelevant to Obama's eligibility because I let you change the subject. That would be birther tactic #1. You did nice job of staying on script that time, too.
I am seeking the truth and open disclosure about the person in the most powerful position in the world. What are you trying to do?
A person lying about their life experience is very relevant to their character. Character is an essential part of their qualifications for the job. In fact, one of the allegations against him is that he commited fraud when he enrolled in college. I guess that's not relevant to you. Step aside, it is to me.
The fact that you don't see that and don't want him to produce the original of his BC says all that need to be said about your argument.
Is it really our script if you guys wrote it?
By the way baring absolute legal proof i.e: The Original Birth certificate, his college records and all his passports, your suppositions are just as baseless as anything birthers have come up with.
That's what I have always thought too. I think he was born the US but there is embarrassing info in there somewhere that would complicate things for him, such as indication that he or someone close to him identified him as Muslim or foreign-born, whether correct or not. It could also be that his cert was issued based on the testimony of somebody like his mom or his grandparents since that was allowed in HI back then. Or it could be some funny business with his SS#.
The certification of live birth, photos of which are on the internet, and a hardcopy of which was available for inspection at his campaign headquarters, is absolute legal proof of his eligbility. None of the other documents you want to see are necessary.
The COLB is a fake, and to date still no Hawaiian official has ever admitted that they generated for Obama.
They have danced around the issue quite legally, but no one has ever said that the State of Hawaii issued that particular document.
As for the hard copy being available at his campaign headquarters to all, you are wrong, it was only made available to two individuals that Obama could trust to say what he wanted them to say.
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