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A Patriotic Muslimís Warning on Ground Zero Mosque
Pajamas Media ^ | 08/18/2010 | Aron Elias

Posted on 08/18/2010 3:23:58 AM PDT by Rashputin

Terms such as “moderate,” “secular,” and “radical” are innately controversial as any group is able to contort them to mean what they want.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: groundzero; muslim; obamagroundzero; victorymosque; warning; zerogroundzero
Very good points more people should be considering when thinking about Islam as it relates to the Ground Zero mosque and everything else Muslims are doing in this country.
1 posted on 08/18/2010 3:24:04 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: All

There is such a group in Islam called ‘Moderate Muslims’. They do exist.

I know some of them. They are fine.

The problem is, these “moderates” are often viewed as apostates or enemies by the more fundamental or devout muslims. (For those of you who don’t know, apostasy is the act of a muslim who did believe in Allah, who decides to leave the religion and become in their eyes an unbeliever. This is considered worse than all other crimes, even worse than being an infidel. If you are an infidel, you can always be converted. If you have renounced Islam, you cannot, and therefore, there is a special circle of Hell that awaits you.

According to the Koran, apostasy is one of the crimes that justifies jihad, others being thievery and non-belief in Islam, just to name three. (There are at least two or three more formal justifications, but I cannot remember them right now)

If you want to know more about Islam to see what we are up against, I suggest books by Bernard Lewis, who is considered to be the foremost authority on Islam in the Western World. Two books in particular are: “The Middle East”, “What Went Wrong” and “The Crisis of Islam”.

Note that he in not a hater of Islam, but he speaks very honestly about the problems with it and the genesis of those problems.


2 posted on 08/18/2010 3:53:24 AM PDT by rlmorel (America: Why should a product be deemed a failure if you ignore assembly and operation instructions?)
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To: rlmorel

And I thought I had it bad, I was raised as a Jehovah Witness and was very much a devout follower, that is until I became old enough to see things differently in the real world when I became a teenager and was forced to start out on my own when I was 16.

I left it completely, no halfway, not even a single return to the Kingdom Hall after all these years.

Thankfully they don’t have fanatical followers trying to lop my head off like Islam has.


3 posted on 08/18/2010 4:00:35 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Rashputin

Patriotic Muslim is a term like “cubic sphere” or “dry water” . They may be patriotic and call themselves Muslim, but then they are not following the Koran. More likely they are lying like the Koran tells them to.


4 posted on 08/18/2010 4:06:11 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Eye of Unk

Exactly. I think you put your finger right on what the MAIN problem is with Islam.

In Christianity, and many other religions, you have a free choice to make. You can believe in God or not. If you do, great. If you don’t, well, that will be between you and God on judgement day.

Islam dispenses with that. They become God, deciding who lives and who dies, and doing it on the instructions of their God.

In Islam, there are two entities or constructed existences: “The House of Islam” (Dar al-Islam) and “The House of War” (Dar al-Harb). While there are some intermediate constructs such as “The House of Truce” (Dar al-Hudna) and “The House of Invitation” (Dar al-Dawa), these are considered to be temporary way stations between being a true believer in Allah and being at war with Islam to either be converted to Islam or slain.

Basically, it is a very black and white construct.


5 posted on 08/18/2010 4:15:14 AM PDT by rlmorel (America: Why should a product be deemed a failure if you ignore assembly and operation instructions?)
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To: Nateman

You are speaking of “taqiyya” which is the deception of and outright lying to infidels (or, I believe, anyone else, islamic or not) to achieve the ends of Allah.

This is codified in the Koran and encouraged. A simple, efficient and effective class of warfare that does not have the western overtones of honor or dishonor attached to it.

There is no “my word is my contract” type of thing going on with it.


6 posted on 08/18/2010 4:19:23 AM PDT by rlmorel (America: Why should a product be deemed a failure if you ignore assembly and operation instructions?)
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To: rlmorel
That may be true, but at least it's better than Mahdi Brey, Chairman of CAIR, raising his fists up in a Hamas salute.

Click here to see a YouTube video of Mahdi Bray at Lafayette Park Rally 10/28/2000.

7 posted on 08/18/2010 4:36:42 AM PDT by williamj
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To: rlmorel

8 posted on 08/18/2010 4:40:58 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: rlmorel; All
If you want to know more about Islam to see what we are up against, I suggest books by Bernard Lewis, who is considered to be the foremost authority on Islam in the Western World. Two books in particular are: “The Middle East”, “What Went Wrong” and “The Crisis of Islam”.

Note that he in not a hater of Islam, but he speaks very honestly about the problems with it and the genesis of those problems


I second your recommendation. "What Went Wrong" was one of two books I selected to read after 9-11. I chose this book because Bernard Lewis, despite the PC pressure to celebrate the fall of the Shah of Iran, warned about the negative consequences.

The book is short but very dense in information. I personally started with the summary, then proceeded to slowly absorb each chapter.
9 posted on 08/18/2010 5:30:21 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: rlmorel
Islam is a political system with a religious segment, the politics is socialism/stateizim, if you want an answer for the Islamic worlds chaos and constant war and failure this is it. Look at the populations of the Islamic countries, they are scared witless of their government, the state religion is the government, oppose the government and you oppose Islam. We all know how tolerant Islam is of differing points of view.
10 posted on 08/18/2010 6:08:24 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: Nateman
"Patriotic Muslim is a term like “cubic sphere” or “dry water”"

I respectfully disagree. I work with folks who are Muslims from Bangladesh, Pakistan, Turkey and Albania. They practice their faith but are not hot for an Islamic Collectivism such as that proposed by radicals in the Islamic Brotherhood. They believe in live and let live like any other American.

From the article:

"Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D., president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD), is one of these devout yet patriotic Muslims. A former U.S. Navy lieutenant commander with 11 years of service as a medical officer under his belt, Dr. Jasser has made it clear that “until anti-Islamist Muslims wage the intellectual battle against Islamism within the Muslim consciousness, we will make no headway against ‘the narrative.’”

Peace

11 posted on 08/18/2010 10:36:18 AM PDT by wmileo
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.."anti-Islamist Muslims"..

Like "anti-sex porn stars".

12 posted on 08/18/2010 12:32:39 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Nateman
".."anti-Islamist Muslims".. Like "anti-sex porn stars". "

I will bet he meant Anti-Islamofacists Muslims. After reading the article he sounds like an American who loves his country and is willing to confront its enemies both foreign and domestic.

13 posted on 08/19/2010 6:45:40 AM PDT by wmileo
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