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Can Europe Survive Its Population Plunge? (Auto-Genocide -- or Geno-Suicide -- of a Civililation)
InsideCatholic ^ | Augut 20, 2010 | Mary Jo Anderson

Posted on 08/21/2010 7:02:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o

As Whitey steps down the Muzzies will stand up and replace them by having many children per family per generation.


21 posted on 08/21/2010 7:52:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: light-bulb; SloopJohnB

That Video is the BEST most IMPORTANT video in existence. Unless you do not know Christ. Then it falls to #2.

But the China question is worse.

They have 250 MILLION males who have NO HOPE of a Mate, No Hope of a future.

They are going to DIE. ALONE.

Better on the field of battle while they are still young and idealist.

China, in another thread, was said to be the same type of culture and mindset of Japan in the 1930s.

When the stock market falls, this year or soon, and America retreats from the international contest and Iran has Nukes, expect China to move in Asia, expect Iran to move in the Middle East.

A new AXIS power will emerge. And WWIII will begin in days.

That, actually, is our only HOPE.

If it doesn’t not go BANG SOON.... then the Poet will be right... not with a bang, but a whimper.

As Patrick Henry said: Let it come!


22 posted on 08/21/2010 7:54:17 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mark Steyn did an excellent analysis of this in his book “America Alone.” Highly recommended. He convincingly ties the reduction in birth rate to the marxist takeover of Europe — all the benefits it provided created a hedonistic people only interested in themselves and not their progeny. In addition you have employment permanently stuck at 10%+ and nobody wants to bring a child into such a miserable world.

Coming soon to a country near you!


23 posted on 08/21/2010 7:55:30 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As the great civilizations fade, there is a world-domination movement cleverly disguised as a religion ready to step in and take over.


24 posted on 08/21/2010 8:10:35 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Exactly. And not just “ready to step in.” Already in tenancy.


25 posted on 08/21/2010 8:45:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Perversions destroy civilizations.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When the population of any given nation reaches an economic plateau unique to that nation, suddenly their birth rate drops from strong growth to maintenance levels of between 2.1 and 2.3 children per family. This is natural.

However, culture and most especially government, while they cannot raise this rate, can most certainly lower it further, by making parenting harder. This can be done in several ways.

High taxes, increasing commercial labor demands on women, demands for higher quality of life and education for children, dowry, parental debt such as student loans, high productivity demands from business, and lack of family oriented residences and recreations, as well as lack of religious or cultural acceptance of larger families.

Only in one situation was an industrialized nation that had reached its economic plateau, able to increase its birthrate beyond sustainability.

These were the almost unique circumstances of the post-WWII baby boom.

New towns and cities full of mostly childbearing age parents, with plentiful employment and prosperity, tolerably low taxes, and ample boredom. Having children was almost recreation, was expected of young couples, and was conformist, because that was what their peers were doing.

Importantly, most parents were still *trying* to have just two children, because an “only child” was seen as disadvantaged. But the growth occurred in the margins, with some parents having four or more children skewing the birthrate up significantly.

Until “women’s liberation”, most women were homemakers, with lots of time and energy to raise their own children, and help out with the raising of other children, which significantly improved parenting performance and ease of having children.

At first, the idea of a working mother made sense, especially if she worked during school hours, because she could contribute to family income, increasing family prosperity. However, government immediately interceded to raise taxes so high that to *keep* their current level of prosperity, the wife *had* to work just to pay the new taxes. Thus the family lost the labor of the wife.

Working also took so much energy that there was much less to go for making and raising children. This strongly encouraged parents to have fewer children. Then the culture demanded increasing levels of materialism, to show that parents were “good” parents, which also cause more decline in the number of children.

And the process continues unabated in the western world, and even in the far east.

Just yesterday, it was announced that the “freedom from taxes day” had become August 19th. This sort of thing kills the birthrate.


26 posted on 08/21/2010 9:10:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And in America, we see some trends like this too.

A hundred years from now, people may look back and see that declines in western civilization were caused, in part, by using contraception, and rejecting cultural norms such as marriage and family.

Or to look at another way, some of those who are curtailing their fertility are those who are the most industrious, and most energetic in society. Some of those who have the most children do not have the “work ethic” or “values” which we might like to see more of. So then, critical masses of society unfortunately are being raised without the values which society needs to continue and prosper.

Somebody said that demography is destiny.


27 posted on 08/21/2010 9:11:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Yes. And another apt saying here:

God always forgives.

Man sometimes forgives.

Nature never forgives.

28 posted on 08/21/2010 9:25:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Perversions destroy civilizations.)
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To: light-bulb
"...wondered if China will face the same fate."

Very possibly, it might interest you to read Guns, Germs and Steel. The author discussed the implications of poor decisions taken in the past by a single large country (China) versus numerous different ideals tried by Western Europe. Using the specific example of naval development, his conclusion was that completion between various middle sized countries ensured that, eventually, better concepts won, while because of China's size, and then strength, it to continue down bad paths much longer.

29 posted on 08/21/2010 9:39:33 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Ronbo1948

They’re not even taking over Africa. There the fastest-growing religion is evangelical Christianity. When the African Christians decide to move north into Europe for work and opportunity, it will inject some energy into a dying civilization.


30 posted on 08/21/2010 9:56:07 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Over thousands of years Europe’s population has been decimated by wars, plagues, famines etc. again and again. It’s population today is higher than at any time in history.

Gone in 100 years? Kinda sucks when the only math you know is linear extrapolation...


31 posted on 08/21/2010 9:58:55 AM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Good points...I would advice seeing the DVD “Demographic Bomb”. It covers a few of these points as well as a few others.

As a father of a single income, family of nine (wife, seven children, and myself) I would agree that our culture over all does not accept larger families...but it is neat to see the reactions of people in the stores. If we go to the larger cities we will normally get some nasty stares but in the more rural areas we will normally have some older couple that will come up and tell us how glad they are to see a large family again.


32 posted on 08/21/2010 9:59:48 AM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: GAB-1955
From the research done on the DVD “Demographic Winter” it looks like “people of faith” are the ones having children. A growing evangelical Christianity in Africa could make things interesting in Europe.
33 posted on 08/21/2010 10:05:56 AM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The DVD I was thinking of is “Demographic Winter”. The one I mentioned in my first response “Demographic Bomb” is the sequel to it...both are interesting viewing.


34 posted on 08/21/2010 10:09:04 AM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Ronbo1948
The problem is that Europe has no tradition like we do of taking in immigrants and turning them into “Frenchmen” - “Germans” - “Britons” etc. When I was stationed in Germany in the 1970s I knew more than a few Americans who had married German women and stayed in Germany. Even after decades they were still considered foreigners and second class even if they had obtained German citizenship, which was very difficult to do.

Two points: first we're not doing so well at 'the melting pot' anymore either. Most of the new generation of Mexican and Central Americans aren't interested in becoming Americans. They hold onto their language, citizenship, culture, and habits. They are here purely for economic reasons. Blacks appear to actually be regressing into a more seperate culture than we had 30 or 40 years ago. Think about how few whites have any familiarity with the black television networks, like USA and BET. Rap, ebonics, gangs, baby-mamas ... not exactly main stream USA.

Second point: Germany, with the poor treatment of immigrants did manage to survive as a nation for 1000 years. (And this despite near-constant warfare). What needs to be looked at now is what has changed post 1950, to make the population decline like this?

It is a proven fact that nations based on kinship, culture, religion and land can survive tremendous hardship. Poland was taken off the map twice in the last 300 years, but the Poles refused to be assimilated or destroyed. The held onto their language and culture, and eventually recovered their land. The Jews held onto their language and culture and survived almost 2000 years without a nation-state of their own.

It is an unproven assertion that a completely homogenous nation made up of dozens of ethnicities, with different languages and cultures, often times in opposition to each other can survive for centuries. A century, maybe. Rome did not long survive the integration of the Germanic tribes, nor the fall of the ancient Gods of Rome.

Nations have staying power, empires have less. In so far as America has embarked on the great experiment of being a "propositional nation" and an empire, and is no longer a nation based on blood and soil it's prospects for longevity are greatly decreased. I would be shocked if the USA still exists in anything like it's current formulation in 2110.

35 posted on 08/21/2010 10:19:25 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: WorldviewDad
our culture over all does not accept larger families

It gives us the opportunity to show our children what a real "counter-culture" looks like. One of the key points we like to make (in public, if possible ;-) is that many of our culture's "imperatives" are actually conscious choices about values and priorities. When most people say, "I couldn't have more children," they really mean, "I made the choice to value something else more."

I sometimes think that recognizing yourself as a person who is deciding priorities and making choices, rather than as a person who is the Victim of Mysterious Forces, is THE KEY to being a contributing person rather than a drone.

36 posted on 08/21/2010 10:23:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maven of alcoholic beverage bargains!)
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To: GAB-1955
Your idea that African Christians can save European civilization has to be one of the most inane ideas posted here recently. According to the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" which looked at the results of decades of IQ tests given to various people around the world most of the central African nations have average IQs from 77 for Zambia to 59 for Equatorial Guinea.

You will note a distinct lack of anything approaching the grandure of the great cathedrals, the beauty of Paris, Milan, Florence, Warsaw, Berlin and the other great European cities, the art of Michalangelo the great philosophers and writers of the west, the scientists who have invented the modern world flowing out of Kenya, the Congo and Nigeria!

It is far more likely that a flood of central Africans into Europe would result in human sacrafice, albinos being used for witch doctor medicine, gang warefare and mass amputations, rampant rape and polygamy and other cultural markers of African presence than that Europe could be saved.

The idea that Christianity can somehow transform low intelligence tribal people into Flemish and Dutch literate merchants is silly.

37 posted on 08/21/2010 10:33:34 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Tax-chick
I sometimes think that recognizing yourself as a person who is deciding priorities and making choices, rather than as a person who is the Victim of Mysterious Forces, is THE KEY to being a contributing person rather than a drone.

Very well put. A great lesson to give your children. Thanks for sharing.

38 posted on 08/21/2010 10:35:27 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: GAB-1955; WorldviewDad

GAB-1955 my post 1937 was directed to WorldviewDad’s comments, not yours. My apologies.


39 posted on 08/21/2010 10:38:29 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

You’re welcome. Credit goes to my parents, especially OldTax-lady, who insisted that I begin sentences with, “I decided to ...”.


40 posted on 08/21/2010 10:39:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maven of alcoholic beverage bargains!)
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