Posted on 08/22/2010 7:58:35 PM PDT by SJackson
Now I understand why liberals like the idea of sharia law... it's a living breathing moral code that can be altered whenever people feel like it.
It seems evident the Muslims cannot live by The Law when they must constantly reinterpret and rewrite the "truths" to fit the immorality of the times. Without a savior they are only going to get crazier trying and failing to live up to billions of ever-changing rules.
Is it just me or is anybody else sick at their stomach?
Foot note #16 is interesting. These Muslims are still stuck in the 15th Century.
Even in Victorian times if a wet nurse was needed, people just put an ad in the paper.
As to men these days with a need for such a thing, they fall into the personal choices which society has available for them to connect with women willing to be part of that.
But no Westren woman is forced to do go along as this fatwa seems to propound.
Man finds woman who he thinks is suitable and makes demands of her under a fatwa? She must go along or be found in violation of a religious edict?
The situation is theoretically allowed because the fatwa makes the relationship to be within the imposed ground of a husband, son or some such, so that the prohibition of seclusion with a man outside the family is not in effect. Great.I do not know how women manage to exist in these societies. They must undergo tremendous suffering.
What, no Fatwa on getting to 3rd base?
Let’s see, how about “Mo’s Ground Zero Mosque and Milk Bar” instead of Cordoba, which nobody understands?
“Cows ‘R’ Us”?
“Starbucks Mosque and Latwa Center”? (We want to pump. You. Up.)
The home of Islam and Wahabism...go figure. =.=
Another reason is that we don’t need America to look even more like something out of National Geographic. We are culturally devolving at a frightening pace.
They do have a very high suicide rate. Here's another gem from the article:
Sheikh Ahmad Al-Hashem, a senior cleric in the Saudi Ministry of Religious Endowments... said he expects the fatwa to meet with significant resistance "because a woman is not [entitled to] market her milk, which is not her property but her husband's, with whose sole authority she nurses her baby."[13]
More muslim depravity
I think that is the purpose of the “pleasure marriage”.
Recently, this topic has been of worldwide interest when an al‑Azhar academic proposed an Islamic solution to prevent the sex segregation in Islamic offices. He suggested that the lactating (or women who could produce milk, somehow or other) women in the office breastfeed their male counterpart, for the men to become their mahram. This meant that having suckled the breast of the women, these men will become haram to the women who had breastfed them, and therefore, these men will be permitted to visit these women in the privacy of their office rooms.
Please do not have a guffaw.
The al‑Azhar academic gave his recommendations based on a few ahadith. Deeply embarrassed, the al‑Azhar authority, subsequently, claimed that Muhammad had instructed this procedure only as a once off case. Later, the academic lost his job for indulging in hadis fabrication.
Was the al‑Azhar academic correct? He was, of course right in his assertion of the hadis. However, whether Muhammad made this one off or not is fiercely contested by opposing camps. There are controversial ahadith on this, so this has become a subject of fierce debate.
Let us read this interesting hadis.
A woman can suckle a grown up bearded man so that she becomes haram for him (i.e. they cannot get married; Hudhaifa, let his young wife suckle Salem, the freed-slave of him to make Salim sexually haram for her)…(Sahihh Muslim, 8.3428).
Because this is such an amazing hadis, let us read the full text.
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3428: Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him, saying to 'A'isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she ('A'isha) said: Why is it so? Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a beard. But he (again) said: Suckle him, and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa. She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa.
Sunaan ibn Majah narrates a similar hadis.
A woman can suckle (breastfeed) a grown up (with beard) man to make him unlawful to her for marriage… (Sunaan ibn Majah, 3.1943)
This event is better understood from the following narrations (Muhammad’s Companions, p.188‑189):
Abu Abdullah Salim remained a freed slave of Abu Hudhayfa. Salim married Hudhayfah’s niece Fatima bt. Waleed. Abu Hudhayfah’s wife was Sahla bt. Suhail When he became a bearded adult he was breastfed bySahla. He was not an Arab but an Iranian. Abu Hudhayfa, the son of Utba b. Rabiah, adopted him.
Abu Hudhayfa’s freed slave was Salim. Hudhayfa disliked the free entrance in his house of Salim, then a grown up adult with beard. Muhammad permitted Sahla to breastfeed a bearded Salim so that he became her foster son (ibid, p.415). Sahla bt. Suhail breastfed Salim. Muhammad said to Sahla, “Feed him the milk from your breast, and thus he will become your confidant and shall be able to be admitted into the women’s apartment (ibid, p.190).”
Muhammad, however, recommends that a man should not have sex with a lactating woman. In Sunaan ibn Majah (3.2012) we read that do not have sex with a woman who suckles a baby, if you do, her child will become a very weak rider, he will die falling down from the horse.
Source:Islam Watch
Reminds me of work- one time a gal there used a breast pump while she was at work and she would take the milk home with her at the end of the day to feed her kid. She would put the bottle of milk in the breakroom fridge to keep it fresh. Problem was, she didn't label it.
So every day the geezer who used to nab people's lunches when they weren't looking would also use her milk for his coffee, and for other people's too if he was getting them a cup.
I had noticed him pouring from that bottle for weeks and weeks but didn't realize it was special milk until one day, after there had been many meetings and much coffee consumed by many visitors, she took the bottle out and kept staring at it with a furrowed brow.
I asked her what was wrong. Was it sour?
She said no, she thought there would be more in it than that. Then she pulled a breast pump out of her bag and asked me if I'd mind if she did some pumping.
Then I realized what that milk was... and told her she'd better label that bottle because the kids who had been into it were way too old to play trick or teat.
Interesting the more you hear about this Cult the more peverse it sounds. Anything to degrade women.
Paragraph breaks are our friends....
So, if I get this straight: It is not permissible for a non related or unmarried man and woman to be in seclusion with each other.
Thats understandable, if not a little whacked. We all want to protect our little girls from perverts. But, if a woman is lactating and a man suckles her then they are engaging in a closeness that resembles a “pleasure” marriage, and it is then OK for them to be alone together.
And really, what woman would not want to be suckled by a man with an almost full set of teeth and a nice prickly beard. I know when i don’t shave my wife loves to have the top couple of layers of skin rasped off. Who wouldn’t want that on the nipple, with its couple of thousand nerve endings.
The girls must be lined up waiting for this, huh?
These guys kill me with their laws. And anyone can write them? This is great.
Why not just engage in this pleasure marriage and have at it. I am sure some lawyer could argue that a limited time could mean, say, an hour or two for a couple of hundred drachma’s.
Of course if you wanted to suckle they charge you more. At least thats the way it works in our neighborhood.
This guy is truly the perfect example of a suckup. You think 0 got the message?
I wonder what Monty Python’s take on this would be?
Don’t be so critical — we have given this diabolical sect equal status with religions in our country. That fact alone should make you sick in your stomach.
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