Posted on 08/29/2010 9:24:21 PM PDT by Lorianne
For someone who detests “religious” issues, Karl Denninger is sure preachy. Sorry, Karl, I want to know where a candidate stands on the issues of abortion and marriage. If they aren’t willing to take a principled stand, I’m not willing to lend my support or vote for them.
The author is correct.
No, Denniger is full of feces because the Tea Party Republican candidates are also social conservatives. This is a red herring. Name one candidate backed by the Tea Party who is pro-abortion or supports homo marriage. There ain't any.
Don't fall for this divide-and-conquer BS. The Left has already tried to isolate the evangelicals from the Tea Party movement here and here.
Giving up our social core values is got us here in the first place.
Pray for America
so true....that approach is NOT compromising principles.
It is merely getting enough votes to get members in congress who will get this country out of the liberal deluge.
We can’t come off like self righteous, pompous, holier than thou idiots and expect respect....or votes.
Here! Here! Exactly what the founders said too. Without virtue, without a moral electorate, a republic will not endure. Some econcons and some libertarians always throw up a straw man here. Any mention of this is pushing religion, getting in people’s faces, peeking into their bedrooms. It is not. All we are saying is there are higher values than the buck and contractual obligations and if those values disapear, kiss goodbye to everything. The rich will overpower the weak, the corrupt dominate the virtuous and everything will fall apart.
It’s not either or.
It not that you don’t get natural law or don’t want moral order ... it’s that you want to strategically put more weight on fiscal issues ... in order to win.
Fiscal issues are a big winner at this point with many Democrats worried about tax and spend ... why not capitalize on that? You don’t have to toss your values in the trash to capitalize on a winning issue.
“You cannot effect any change on social issues if you don’t WIN.”
You said it Lorraine!
It’s not either or.
You don’t have to give up any values.
Politically, maybe, and it makes a lot of sense. My wife, for instance, would never have an abortion voluntarily, but thinks there are too many babies in the world that are neglected and it needs to be an option. She is pro-choice that way, but again, it’s a personal issue to her.
I think Conservatives need to win at all costs, and although homos and Planned Parenthood AFTER you are elected, not before.
Be like Obie, go as a centrist and then turn into Goldwater, I say.
Yes, I think many here are missing the strategic aspect of the post and believe someone is advocating they have to give up their values. No one is advocating that.
How many times have folks voted in moderates who claimed to be fiscal conservatives, only to have them pull a 180 in office? 9 times out of 10 the desire to be moderate spills over to a wishywashy stance on taxes, earmarks and spending.
Maybe the difference is a man or woman who is not afraid to stand up for they believe is more likely to stand strong on fiscal matters. All know is that we keep trying it your way and we just keep moving left. I believe it’s part of the reason we are in the mess we’re in.
I read his article where he explained why he voted for Obama - his view was that either things would spiral down quickly (under Obama) or slowly (under McCain) and that the fast spiral might have a chance of waking people up or at the very least the crash over with quickly so rebuilding can come that much faster. Under McCain it would’ve been years and years of complacency and malaise.
This is why he voted for Obama, not because he supported him.
It’s not something I could’ve done (voted for Obongo) but his viewpoint does have some logic to it.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater - Denninger is a smart guy and not a libtard.
Recommending that Karl Denninger be taken with a grain of salt isn’t exactly incendiary. Why are you so eager to jettison the core of conservative voters just to gain former Obama voters? To win, lol? We have a coalition, one that must include both fiscal and social conservatives in order to have the numeric strength to win national elections.
If you think disgruntled fools who fell for Obama’s song and dance are the ticket to success, well, I can’t help you much. Let me guess, you’re from either the northeast or the west coast, and believe social conservatives to be out of the mainstream because you don’t know any.
The challenge is to speak on so-called “wedge” issues in a way that energizes the base, while not losing too many votes from the middle. It can be done, as many winning candidates have shown. We just have to pick our battles, and note the terrain in planning, before we join battle.
Examples: pro-life is winning, as long as the candidate does not make it his only issue. Pro-gun is winning, outside of some northern cities (that conservatives rarely win). The clearer our message, the harder the State Run Media have to work to twist it. But as we can see from Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, Ronald Reagan, and others, being clear and on-message makes us a big target.
And we should learn from the mistakes of our adversaries. Listening is important. People will tell you what their issues are. Admit mistakes quickly, then move on. Vet candidates early. The Dems are beginning to regret not vetting the current res—dent of the White House> Let them regret another two years, four months (or less).
Seems like a simple idea; I’m not sure why it is so controversial. No one is saying the Tea Party has to become a social lib movement.
I don’t get that impression about Denninger.
He seems active in his local Tea Party movement.
Even the posts show that many people agree with him so it’s not a wedge were none exists ... it does exist.
You don’t get it. You don’t have to be pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage to follow his advice. He’s not advocating for that.
Strawman.
No one is suggesting giving up social core values.
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