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Pennsylvania Court: Guardians Can't Pull the Plug on Mentally Disabled People
Life News ^ | 8/30/10 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/30/2010 4:19:51 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

What is your problem?! Did I say ANYTHING condoning the killing of anyone!!

I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. It obviously hit a nerve with you and I bet it is because you have never been in a position of sacrificing your time and money to care for another like I have.

I know your kind — you carp and criticize by don’t know squat!


41 posted on 08/30/2010 5:11:01 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

>>It does not say, “Thou Shalt Steal other people’s money in order to extend life.”<<

So should we just euthanize them? Humanely?


42 posted on 08/30/2010 5:12:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: SatinDoll

Are you familiar with wagglebee’s extensive history here? I suggest you stow that broad brush back where it belongs.


43 posted on 08/30/2010 5:13:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Christian_Capitalist; BykrBayb; Coleus; narses; Salvation; cpforlife.org; EternalVigilance; ...
And an automatic "You Lose" under Godwin's Law

That is why I developed "Wagglebee's Corollary" to "Godwin's Law" and that is that whenever the subject is euthanasia or eugenics, some supporter of those agendas will inevitably state something that perfectly mirrors Nazi propaganda. This nullifies ANY CLAIM to Godwin's Law.

44 posted on 08/30/2010 5:13:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Christian_Capitalist; Lurker

Right. Completely different situation. They were speaking German, Lurker was speaking English. They were talking about Reichsmark, Lurker was talking about Dollars. They were writing in a magazine, Lurker was writing on the Internet.

You need to read up on Godwin’s Law and find out what it really means. If you can’t comprehend that, it’s best not to tackle the Holy Bible. You’re in over your head.


45 posted on 08/30/2010 5:14:01 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: netmilsmom

That would cost money too. What a dilemma.


46 posted on 08/30/2010 5:14:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: wagglebee

Too late for Terri.


47 posted on 08/30/2010 5:14:37 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I suggest you butt out!


48 posted on 08/30/2010 5:14:59 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: wagglebee
Everyone has the right to have a living will made out that orders doctors to not give life saving care.

If a person is not legally capable (for whatever reason) of signing such a form themselves then I see no reason why their legal guardians could not do it for them, this IS their purpose under the law.

I didn't see specifically anywhere in the article that said that the guardians thought the boy should be killed because he is retarded. Maybe they are just the type of people (like me) who wouldn't want aggressive measures to be taken to save my life, especially if it was going to bankrupt my family to do so.

49 posted on 08/30/2010 5:15:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Lurker
We must be careful not to embrace theories that deem taxation to be ipso facto a crime.

And Romans 13:1-10 tells us exactly what Moral justifications God permits for Taxation:

The Punishment of:

And THAT'S IT.

"You may Steal your Neighbor's money to pay for your pneumonia medicine" just ain't in there.
That is NOT Biblical Morality. That is Marxist Morality.
And Karl Marx hated the God of the Bible.

50 posted on 08/30/2010 5:16:09 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: BykrBayb

Granted, dilemmas like this ought to be addressed at a sub-governmental level wherever possible. It’s not just avowed liberals who unconsciously believe in “it takes a village” (or a city hall).


51 posted on 08/30/2010 5:17:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Would not the prevention of murder qualify?


52 posted on 08/30/2010 5:18:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: SatinDoll

The sentiment is then mutual.


53 posted on 08/30/2010 5:18:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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What is your problem?! Did I say ANYTHING condoning the killing of anyone!!

You implied that it would be unselfish to leave someone to die.

I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. It obviously hit a nerve with you and I bet it is because you have never been in a position of sacrificing your time and money to care for another like I have.

The only nerve you hit was the callousness with which you support the abandoning of the most vulnerable.

I know your kind — you carp and criticize by don’t know squat!

You mean those who value life over money? Read Matthew 25:31-46 sometime, it explains why I believe what I do.

54 posted on 08/30/2010 5:19:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Right. Completely different situation. They were speaking German, Lurker was speaking English. They were talking about Reichsmark, Lurker was talking about Dollars. They were writing in a magazine, Lurker was writing on the Internet. You need to read up on Godwin’s Law and find out what it really means. If you can’t comprehend that, it’s best not to tackle the Holy Bible. You’re in over your head.

Okay, howzabout this, smart guy: you don't even understand Basic Causality.

You do not comprehend the difference between "intentionally Causing Death" and "permitting death to naturally occur".

Since you can't understand basic causality, you're frankly not yet mentally equipped even for kindergarten. Perhaps you should go play with your toy trucks in the sandbox until you have some comprehension of "cause" and "effect".

55 posted on 08/30/2010 5:20:40 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Good thing this nation isn’t organized according to your misinterpretation of the Bible. How long do you think we would have lasted without an organized military?


56 posted on 08/30/2010 5:21:02 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

Post flagged as personal attack.


57 posted on 08/30/2010 5:21:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: BykrBayb

Supposedly such a military could only “punish” evil — it could never head evil off.


58 posted on 08/30/2010 5:22:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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Would not the prevention of murder qualify?

Actually, in Biblical Ethics, "preventing murder" is generally left to individual self-defense. If the individual succeeds in preventing a murder (even by killing the presumptive murderer), there's generally no cause for Government Action.

However, in any case -- "Murder" is NOT Biblically defined as "permitting death to naturally occur". That just isn't Murder, according to any verse anywhere in the Bible.

59 posted on 08/30/2010 5:24:25 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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Everyone has the right to have a living will made out that orders doctors to not give life saving care.

If a person is not legally capable (for whatever reason) of signing such a form themselves then I see no reason why their legal guardians could not do it for them, this IS their purpose under the law.

Really? You believe that a guardian is empowered to end someone's life WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT?

I didn't see specifically anywhere in the article that said that the guardians thought the boy should be killed because he is retarded.

No, they just wanted to leave him to die.

Maybe they are just the type of people (like me) who wouldn't want aggressive measures to be taken to save my life, especially if it was going to bankrupt my family to do so.

Antibiotics to treat pneumonia are not very expensive.

Nevertheless, you seem to be trying to make a case for allowing someone to die on the basis of cost when there is no indication that this was the guardian's motivation.

60 posted on 08/30/2010 5:24:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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