Posted on 08/31/2010 5:47:09 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
double 8^}...
You are wrong. See, now you have what you hoped for!
[...the perp got what he deserved for bringing a loaded gun to a school.]
Schools should not be “gun free zones”, as it is unconstitutional, and the perp was BRANDISHING a loaded gun. BIG, BIG difference.
“School resource officer”
Means that the school district taxes pay for yet another uniformed crime causing cop. Why “crime causing”? In this particular type of usage, the uniformed cop is a cue to the teachers and staff that they don’t have to deal with difficult discipline problems themselves, and indeed that they SHOULD NOT.
Yes, in this case the officer stopped a man who came to kill others — a good thing. But net out, as usual, cops cause crime.
Schools and districts that deal effectively with discipline issues do NOT need “resource officers”. The presence of a “resource officer” is a sign that the school is failing to keep up with discipline problems.
Further — and this is my assertion, that the school and district have a process by which a resource office is placed in the school, means they’ve given up on doing ALL THEY CAN DO to improve discipline. That is not just the school officials fault, though — they operate within the constraints of social liability imposed by the politics and culture of their district.
Thus, once again: “cops cause crime”.
The presence of a uniformed cop acts to impede what private citizens and non-unformed school officials must do.
You are right. The restraint was likely too much. Although, I can't say for certain without being there. Yet the cop-haters on this board claim that officers should always show such restraint, some even claim that officers should surrender to people who approach them with guns, or that officers have no right to shoot crazies who go nuts in large retail establishments while carrying.
In essence, the Cops get criticized no matter what they do.
"bargaining and maneuvering with an armed intruder." Never at the point of a gun.Because if the intruder shoots first he now has her weapon and nobody else is armed to defend against him. Good move to protect the principal but she should have never let him through the door. Fortunately, things worked out.One says "drop the gun," and if they do not, one shoots them dead.
Great response by the police.
It may be that school security teams need more training for situations like this. While armed intruders are rare the security team is the only defense in a gun free zone. People in this role must be prepared to kill if needed.
It was a very stupid statement. Of course the students that were in the school were endangered! That kind of official stupidity comes out of an irresponsible school culture, one where it’s always someone else’s job to deal with a problem. In this case the official, remarks that the cop “performed admirably”, which in the context of the leading “students not in any danger”, means MAGICAL THINKING.
Deadly magical thinking. That the mere presence of a unformed armed police officer completely protects all from harm. That’s not so, and most educators, imo, who have had to deal directly with the violent, rather run away and call 911, or whatever the speed code for the “resource officer” in the school is, would know.
Do you seriously believe that if suddenly got rid of all police, that crime would cease? Really? I am sure in your utopian libertine fantasy world, you will tell me about how in your world we would have absolute anarchy and everyone would be killing everyone else, yet you would magically stay alive because you happen to be better able to defend yourself from everyone else.
Cops may have to ask “drop the gun”, but me — private citizen — in such a situation would not pause before taking a man with drawn weapon in use position out. No warning! A verbal warning may be a cue to the violent to strike.
Apparently a Gunnery Sargent.
I’ve worked in schools with discipline problems so I understand from real experience, which I wonder if YOU have.
Who on FR has said that cops should surrender to people approaching with guns?
Who on FR has said that cops should surrender to people approaching with guns?
Isn’t that the truth! Their laws prohibiting carrying a gun on school property didn’t mean squat to this nut. Laws against murder and attempted murder meant nothing either. But someone armed did and put and end to it.
Gun free zones are killing fields.
You speak as a genuine warrior who loves life.
I agree with your words.
I disagree with all of you who feel that the perp should have been shot immediately (although that is probably what I would have done) for the following reasons.
This was an extremely close encounter. It sounds as if the the two people may have been 5 feet or less apart.
When you shoot a perp it doesn’t necessarily stop the attack, especially when using 9MM fmj. After being shot, he could have shot 3 to 4 rounds before he expired and the school cop could have been killed.
The cop led the perp into a restricted area that reduced his ability to move. Perfectly executed technique.
She kept him from pulling the fire alarm which might have created a different situation in which children could have been killed. Perfectly executed technique.
This is a text book case that will be studied in the police academies for years. Kudos to the policewoman who controlled the situation.
True.
I am not sure I am allowed to carry a gun to school here in Florida I know they restrict them at my sons college.
Guess I should check, though my time of visiting schools is thankfully over.
I agree with everything you say. But the problem is that most schools are run by rank idiot liberals. Thats the problem.
Shoot to kill would get the “safety resource person” fired if that personal protocol were known to those who run most schools.
She is a token at the front door, and lucky to be alive.
She did delay things until the police came, and should be congratulated for that. But she may never know how close she came to death herself and to the deaths of many others. We do know. IMHO she blew it. The lives of school staff and students should not be left to chance.
In essence, the Cops get criticized no matter what they do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BINGO.
Thats why I am no longer a cop.
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