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The Higher Education Bubble: Ready to Burst?
Townhall.com ^ | September6, 2010 | Michael Barone

Posted on 09/05/2010 9:34:09 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
The cost of tuition is absurd.

And it has risen because of college loans.

Meanwhile, colleges take all the extra money, and what do they do with it?

Squander it on multi-million dollar salaries to sports team coaches (who must be laughing all the way to the bank), and other worthless status symbols.

21 posted on 09/05/2010 10:14:16 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: businessprofessor
People could just read voraciously, and have mentors in their profession.

I believe this used to be called apprenticeship.

22 posted on 09/05/2010 10:14:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dr_lew

Well I had to go and see what Wikipedia could tell me about Rabelais. Is this on the level from him... “Do As Thou Wilt”? Or is it, too, part of some satire?


23 posted on 09/05/2010 10:15:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Age of Reason

Roll Tide! No squandering there. :-)


24 posted on 09/05/2010 10:16:28 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I absolutely agree that universal testing is a great idea to allow credentialing and to allow comparisons between schools.

Disagree. Testing should be to a private credential with a guarantee: 'Any student that passes can do what we say they can do or your money back for hiring them.' Or retraining or whatever. Let there be numerous competing standards, devising ever better ways of verifying capability in any number of markets.

Remedial tutoring over Skype. Testing in strip malls. Brick and mortar schools are an unnecessary and archaic paradigm. Self-paced multidisciplinary learning is where it's at.

25 posted on 09/05/2010 10:17:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: dr_lew
First time, I think, I've seen Rabelais cited here on Free Republic. Good work!

Wait till you get to the chapter where the giant needs to absterge his "backside." I believe the neck of a goose wins the day!

Brilliant, funny stuff!

26 posted on 09/05/2010 10:17:56 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Kaslin

Society is being reformatted by the never-ending flow of information. Industrial age relics are biting the dust one by one. Education has been protected and insulated from these effects up until now. Their day of reckoning is coming. In modern times, there is no need to spend several hundred thousand dollars to get an education.


27 posted on 09/05/2010 10:18:09 PM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Carry_Okie

College community can be virtual today, but yesteryear it made social sense to have physical campuses.


28 posted on 09/05/2010 10:19:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Higher education is starting to blow up due to economics, supply, and demand. Already, a really competent machinist or mechanic is paid more than many college graduates. There are now more than one generation of people where the majority of these highly educated, “high-tech” young adults can’t even fix a toilet.

Certainly, there are people who feel a “calling” to do something, and they don’t expect to get rich doing it; I hate to devalue learning for the sake of learning, which I do everyday. But don’t expect to get a three-car garage and a pair of jet-skis out of it.


29 posted on 09/05/2010 10:20:32 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: MrEdd

“People could just read voraciously, and have mentors in their profession. I believe this used to be called apprenticeship.”

Apprenticeship is important but not sufficient. Post secondary education is clearly important but the current delivery form is very inefficient. The education establishment has no interest in efficient delivery of the product because efficient delivery would substantially reduce the size and cost of the education establishment.


30 posted on 09/05/2010 10:21:41 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: HiTech RedNeck
College community can be virtual today, but yesteryear it made social sense to have physical campuses.

One can even put the lab facilities into the strip mall model now, so much of the equipment has become so much more portable than it used to be. The idea of a campus is an anachronism. The best teachers can go online and be paid like rock stars; the rest are a waste of skin.

Have you ever noticed the degree to which traffic worsens after labor day? Think of the wasted fuel driving children to campuses!

That's it!!! Schools cause Global Warming!

31 posted on 09/05/2010 10:24:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Chapter 1.LIV.—The inscription set upon the great gate of Theleme.
Here enter not vile bigots, hypocrites, Externally devoted apes, base snites, Puffed-up, wry-necked beasts, worse than the Huns, Or Ostrogoths, forerunners of baboons: Cursed snakes, dissembled varlets, seeming sancts, Slipshod caffards, beggars pretending wants, Fat chuffcats, smell-feast knockers, doltish gulls, Out-strouting cluster-fists, contentious bulls, Fomenters of divisions and debates, Elsewhere, not here, make sale of your deceits.

Your filthy trumperies
Stuffed with pernicious lies
(Not worth a bubble),
Would do but trouble
Our earthly paradise,
Your filthy trumperies.

Here enter not attorneys, barristers, Nor bridle-champing law-practitioners: Clerks, commissaries, scribes, nor pharisees, Wilful disturbers of the people’s ease: Judges, destroyers, with an unjust breath, Of honest men, like dogs, even unto death. Your salary is at the gibbet-foot: Go drink there! for we do not here fly out On those excessive courses, which may draw A waiting on your courts by suits in law.

Lawsuits, debates, and wrangling
Hence are exiled, and jangling.
Here we are very
Frolic and merry,
And free from all entangling,
Lawsuits, debates, and wrangling.

Here enter not base pinching usurers, Pelf-lickers, everlasting gatherers, Gold-graspers, coin-gripers, gulpers of mists, Niggish deformed sots, who, though your chests Vast sums of money should to you afford, Would ne’ertheless add more unto that hoard, And yet not be content,—you clunchfist dastards, Insatiable fiends, and Pluto’s bastards, Greedy devourers, chichy sneakbill rogues, Hell-mastiffs gnaw your bones, you ravenous dogs.

You beastly-looking fellows,
Reason doth plainly tell us
That we should not
To you allot
Room here, but at the gallows,
You beastly-looking fellows.

Here enter not fond makers of demurs In love adventures, peevish, jealous curs, Sad pensive dotards, raisers of garboils, Hags, goblins, ghosts, firebrands of household broils, Nor drunkards, liars, cowards, cheaters, clowns, Thieves, cannibals, faces o’ercast with frowns, Nor lazy slugs, envious, covetous, Nor blockish, cruel, nor too credulous,— Here mangy, pocky folks shall have no place, No ugly lusks, nor persons of disgrace.

Grace, honour, praise, delight,
Here sojourn day and night.
Sound bodies lined
With a good mind,
Do here pursue with might
Grace, honour, praise, delight.

Here enter you, and welcome from our hearts, All noble sparks, endowed with gallant parts. This is the glorious place, which bravely shall Afford wherewith to entertain you all. Were you a thousand, here you shall not want For anything; for what you’ll ask we’ll grant. Stay here, you lively, jovial, handsome, brisk, Gay, witty, frolic, cheerful, merry, frisk, Spruce, jocund, courteous, furtherers of trades, And, in a word, all worthy gentle blades.

Blades of heroic breasts
Shall taste here of the feasts,
Both privily
And civilly
Of the celestial guests,
Blades of heroic breasts.

Here enter you, pure, honest, faithful, true Expounders of the Scriptures old and new. Whose glosses do not blind our reason, but Make it to see the clearer, and who shut Its passages from hatred, avarice, Pride, factions, covenants, and all sort of vice. Come, settle here a charitable faith, Which neighbourly affection nourisheth. And whose light chaseth all corrupters hence, Of the blest word, from the aforesaid sense.

The holy sacred Word,
May it always afford
T’ us all in common,
Both man and woman,
A spiritual shield and sword,
The holy sacred Word.

Here enter you all ladies of high birth, Delicious, stately, charming, full of mirth, Ingenious, lovely, miniard, proper, fair, Magnetic, graceful, splendid, pleasant, rare, Obliging, sprightly, virtuous, young, solacious, Kind, neat, quick, feat, bright, compt, ripe, choice, dear, precious. Alluring, courtly, comely, fine, complete, Wise, personable, ravishing, and sweet, Come joys enjoy. The Lord celestial Hath given enough wherewith to please us all.

Gold give us, God forgive us,
And from all woes relieve us;
That we the treasure
May reap of pleasure,
And shun whate’er is grievous,
Gold give us, God forgive us.

... read on to Chapter LVII for the explication of DO WHAT YOU WILL


32 posted on 09/05/2010 10:26:24 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

There needs to be a paradigm shift in higher education to match modern information technology.

No one should be accepted to a research institution right out of high school. All who want education beyond HS should be enrolled in 2-year JC where basic courses would be mastered. Costs would be controlled. Students would take Physics 101, etc. from the Nobel Prize winner at the world famous research university, except the lecture would be on-line, with follow up by a local instructor. This is no different then the 500 seat lecture hall commonly used in the mega-universities.

Let professors sell their lectures to individual students. We would find out in short order who the best teachers are and they would reap a financial gain. This is actually a very old model for the university, but now the number of students who could be reached by the best professors over the Internet is limitless.

Those who excel at JC would be invited to finish a 4-year degree at research institution (for those eventually who want to pursue graduate programs) or a state college for those who want to complete a professional program and enter the workforce.

JC-first would reduce the need for affirmative action and similar quotas and would let students prove they are ready for 4-year college before getting in over their heads.


33 posted on 09/05/2010 10:27:02 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: The Antiyuppie

“Higher education is starting to blow up due to economics, supply, and demand.”

Would it be safe to say that we agree when I say that higher educatin is blowing up because it is terrible?

I am a former Marine returning to school and the lies that they tell these kids and the nonsense hoops they make student jump thru goes beyond the ridiculous.

I feel like Rodney Dangerfeild in the move “Back to school” when I have to correct the business program teacher that I have and tell them that what they insist is true is not in the business world.


34 posted on 09/05/2010 10:33:45 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Flycatcher

That’s early on. The whole thing is unbelievably outrageous.

Is it liberal or conservative? Liberal means “free” and it has to be counted as a radically liberal expression of the spirit. But would liberal doctrine of today recognize and cherish it? This is doubtful. Rabelais is unrelentingly ( and quite amusingly ) misogynistic, for one thing. I don’t see how they’re going get past that.


35 posted on 09/05/2010 10:34:22 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Whatever... obviously a few seconds of glancing reading isn’t going to do justice to this prolific writer. But in whatever form it takes, personal freedom is ruinous without individual responsibility and divine provision. It can’t stand alone, bare, naked. It would perish.


36 posted on 09/05/2010 10:37:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Keith Brown

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM


37 posted on 09/05/2010 10:43:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dr_lew
Very few pieces of literature have influenced my thinking and my writing. But Gargantua and Pantagruel has done both.

It's a monumental work of art that does something that no other work of art does: ridiculous listing. I know that's an insignificant style point to some, but Rabelais was both a groundbreaking stylist as well as an iconclast.

38 posted on 09/05/2010 10:46:37 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dr_lew
... dozens of gammons, dried neat's tongues, hard roes of mullet, called botargos, andouilles or sausages ...mustard by whole shovelfuls. ...a horrible draught of white wine... meat agreeable to his appetite, and then left off eating when his belly began to strout, and was like to crack for fulness.

What? No wagyu beef?

39 posted on 09/05/2010 10:53:37 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Carry_Okie

If only. I’d had been done with my university in a year if I could have written the examinations.


40 posted on 09/05/2010 10:55:39 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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