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To: mdmathis6

I would be cautious about using an Old Testament passage to apply to the post Grace age. But, that is my Dispensationism speaking.

In Romans, speaking to Sodomy and Lesbianism directly, Paul says in clear terms, that they were given up “Because” of their vile affections.

Cause and effect.

No other place is such a direct statement made regarding any specific sin.

Lots of generalities, lots of repent and you are OK stuff. One very specific, very direct here.

Again, most of the Sodomites and their enablers like to go to the Old testament and ask “should we stone someone who steals bread too”.

Because they do not and are not able to address this passage in Romans.

The Holy Spirit put that one in here to make it plain to us, when we had crossed the point of no return.

We are about to do so.

I predict we will.

Then this debate will no longer even be allowed.

49 posted on 09/06/2010 11:24:14 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
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To: RachelFaith

” Romans1:18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

Let’s keep the passage in Romans in context shall we! The passage describes the descent of the soul of one who denies even the clearly evident existence of God and how God gives one over to depravity. Homosexuality is one such end and other diverse lusts and depravities are so listed. A lot of folks have similarly rejected God and are not necessarily homosexual. Some are murderers, some gossip to the point of absolute viciousness. Some steal, some disobey and dishonor their parents. Anothers words, they are given up to total absolute wickedness and they are not restrained in inventing new ways to be wicked. Hence they are reprobate and given over to their lusts and sins and eventually the just penalties for their errors! Note also Paul mentioning of worship of false idols and images as being part of the total rejection of God.

75 posted on 09/06/2010 12:16:33 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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