Posted on 09/07/2010 3:06:06 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
A protest in Los Angeles over a deadly police shooting of an immigrant turned into a clash between the cops and demonstrators Monday.
Police donned riot gear to clear an area near MacArthur Park around 10 p.m. as angry protesters began throwing bottles and setting trash cans on fire.
Only a couple of people were arrested, police said.
The clash was sparked by an incident on Sunday afternoon, when bicycle cops were alerted to a man allegedly waving a knife at pedestrians. When they arrived, offices ordered the man to drop the blade. When he refused, he was shot dead.
"He came after the officers with a knife raised in the air, leading one of the officers to fire at the suspect," LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman told The Associated Press.
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The suspect was drunk, threatening passersby with a knife and these same people who are rioting are the ones who called in the cops.
Hate New York City
It’s cold and it’s damp
And all the people dressed like monkeys
Let’s leave Chicago to the Eskimos
That town’s a little bit too rugged
For you and me you bad girl
Rollin’ down the Imperial Highway
With a big nasty redhead at my side
Santa Ana winds blowin’ hot from the north
And we as born to ride
Roll down the window put down the top
Crank up the Beach Boys baby
Don’t let the music stop
We’re gonna ride it till we just can’t ride it no more
>From the South Bay to the Valley
>From the West Side to the East Side
Everybody’s very happy
‘Cause the sun is shining all the time
Looks like another perfect day
I love L.A. (We love it)
I love L.A. (We love it)
Look at that mountain
Look at those trees
Look at that bum over there, man
He’s down on his knees
Look at these women
There ain’t nothin’ like ‘em nowhere
Century Boulevard (We love it)
Victory Boulevard (We love it)
Santa Monica Boulevard (We love it)
Sixth Street (We love it, we love it)
I love L.A.
I love L.A.
(We love it)
I love living in the country.
I wish ICE would send some of their big well marked busses and circle that neighborhood for everybody to see.
“Kelly Flor, a self-described community activist, told KNBC News Jamines could not understand what the police were telling him at the time of the incident.”
“He could not speak English, so he could not understand what the officer was saying,” she said, “and after that the officer proceeded in shooting him twice in the head.”
Um...Kelly? When an officer has a gun pointed at you, I think it’s a pretty universal concept that you don’t raise your knife and make an aggressive move towards him.
I think he understood right after that.
There are lots of ways to take a person down without killing them.Cops are on a killing spree all over the nation if you ask me.
“Um...Kelly? When an officer has a gun pointed at you, I think it’s a pretty universal concept that you don’t raise your knife and make an aggressive move towards him.”
Universal language 101 ... man points gun, you drop weapon ... especially if it is just a knife.
Win/Win situation.
Macarthur Park is melting in the dark.
All the sweet green icing melting down.
I agree. Pretty soon, they'll probably target patriots.
I hold their concern for the drunken knife wielder suspect. They’re probably looking for an excuse to go looting. We’re about due for one of those.
Los Angeles Police Protective League reaction to protest
Various community “activists,” including the Revolutionary Communist Party, are attempting to gin this shooting up into a controversy, agitating a small handful of others to conduct “protests” of this shooting. The pathetic attempt to excuse the armed advance on the responding officers by claiming the man “did not speak English” only highlights the inanity of the “protest.” For the record, the officers gave him commands in English and Spanish, not that it matters because getting drunk and threatening bystanders and then LAPD officers with a knife is dangerous and self-destructive in any language.
When you advance toward an armed cop with a weapon in your hand you cease to be a human being. You are a threat to be eliminated. At least he went out like a bad*ss. Songs will be sung celebrating his machismo, girls will shed tears over his likeness, toasts will be raised in his honor. Simone!
Lesson learned. LOL
I would suggest that this “immigrant” never learned that one does not bring a knife to a gunfight - especially with the cops!
“There are lots of ways to take a person down without killing them”.
None that are quite as reliable.
Sorry, man with a knife is a lethal threat.
Problem resolved, gene pool cleansed.
Illegal Alien ?
I think so. “Immigrant” is the new euphemism for ILLEGAL.
I doubt anyone in that neighborhood is here legally.
That area has been one of the most violent in LA ever since Jimmy Carter’s Marielitos washed up there in the 70’s.
Why would an LAPD officer ever, ever, respond to a hot call in Rampart when all he gets for his trouble is this?
The cops blew away a drunk, knife carrying Guatemalan that was threatening with a knife in broad day light.
I suggested if these stinking foreigners don't like it, they get the hell out of dodge and head back to the stink holes from which they came from. Put me on the jury, and I'll vote to bury this POS at the local landfill.
Yeah, as long as they're:
1. waving a knife around threatening passerby and
2. advancing on the respondingn officers and
3. ignoring warnings in English and Spanish to "drop the knife...
Same goes for legally armed citizens. Seriously, if you're out shopping, say, and a crazy dude with a knife decides to take an interest in you, you're going to try to talk him down? Or use your Krav Maga knife takeaway technique you've practiced in the Dojo with a rubber knife? Really?
Cops blow away drunken Guatemalan cockroach while he was threatening people with a knife, in broad day light, and you suggest they're now coming after law abiding citizens that are minding their own business?
Where the hell you people from?
Dude, there’s no situation that the ancient secrets of the Krav Maga discipline can’t handle. Knife takeaway fails? Easy...you fall back on your other two moves, groin strikes and eye pokes.
Too funny....
Man, I really hope you were joking here, as it made me laugh out loud.
“...leading one of the officers to fire at the suspect”
Good, that’s what you do when a knife wielding drunk advances on you.
The people attacking the cops here are hilarious. As far as I’m concerned, if you advance on someone with a knife, sober or drunk, then you just gave anyone around you permission to eliminate the threat.
I wonder how many Guatemalans were brutalized/murdered by the truly corrupt Guatemalan government/cops while our Guatemalan “immigrant” friends rioted here. Since this is obviously a hot issue with Guatemalans, it would seem like there should be at least one anti-police/gov riot per day in Guatemala. Or they’re whining, ungrateful hypocrites. Whatever. It’s definitely one or the other.
I would encourage any “community activist” to go to any major city in Latin America and stand on a busy street corner waving a knife at people. When a law enforcement officer arrives on the scene, walk toward them with your knife.
I suspect:
A. You will understand as soon as the officer draws their weapon, even if you don’t understand a word of Spanish or Portuguese, that they wish you to no longer assume a threatening attitude or posture toward them.
B. Most places you’ll get about 2 steps before the officer fires. It may take more than a double tap, cops there don’t get as much target practice as cops here do, but you’ll be going down for good.
C. Assuming you are smart enough to live and assume attitude of complete submission, they’ll most likely want to discuss the matter with you most harshly in some alley or field on the way to incarceration. This will hurt; a lot.
Perhaps you could provide some of your personal experiences in taking down knife wielding drunks and submit them to the LAPD for implementation.
Listen folks, no police officer is ever going to ask you to deal with the above assailant with something inadequate to the task, why ask the police to do the same?
If you are standing next to JOE and this nutbag with the knife starts to advance on him, with the clear intent of stabbing him, do you as a citizen have a clearly defined duty to save JOE, or is your own self preservation your primary concern? Are you required to draw your concealed firearm and engage said dirtbag?
No.
Can you think about it and then walk away?
Yes, twould be truly crappy, but absolutely justified.
A police officer on the other hand has a duty to immediately deal with said knife wielder and if time only allows the use of a firearm to deal with him, then that’s the answer.
Thank you!
LA is a sanctuary city--they deserve what they're getting.
Probably illegal; they would have trumpeted his legal status if there was one. Also, the lack of English is a good sign; I believe there is still some semblance of an English requirement for legal immigration. In any case, this incident will result in a few million dollars for Rainbow/PUSH and the required hiring of 500 non-English speaking Guatemalan police officers in LA (and you can’t ask their immigration status).
It is a darn good system, all kidding aside. Imi gets props from me.
I still don’t want to try that knife defense “live” , though.
So, I did need a sarcasm tag. How ‘bout that?
Got news for ya, the U.S. is De facto sanctuary country.
I used to work on Wilshire Blvd. near MacArthur Park from about 1967 to 1980. There was a steak house, Edwards, on Alvarado Blvd. near the park and we used to walk over to eat at lunch. At first most people that lived in the area were elderly and it was safe. But later the area started to turn Hispanic and it became unsafe to walk around the area even in broad day light. Eventually Edwards had to close because the area turned so bad no body would go there at night. Obviously the area has gone further down hill.
I wish I could argue with that, but you’re right. Now, if the corrupt morons in Washington can figure out a way to completely rig elections so all of the illegal aliens can vote, well, they will have achieved their heart’s desire—getting rid of all of those dissatisfied, hard-to-please, American voters.
I'd really rather they park them a block over and just round the biches up.
I would encourage any “community activist” to go to any major city in Latin America and stand on a busy street corner.
No. Really. Your fingers would thank me. :)
I agree. Pretty soon, they'll probably target patriots.
So, I did need a sarcasm tag. How ‘bout that?
Yeah, I would think so, given the fact that you said you "Agreed" with the posters comment.
My apologies. I thought the sheer absurdity of the statement was a dead giveaway.
Between yours and taxtruth's, it was hard to tell which was more absurd....
Krav Maga prepares you for combat like pantomiming a trigger pull and making “kapow” noises prepare you for a 1500 yard head shot. “Well, I’ve never actually taken the shot, but I’ve pretended to a lot.”
If the first time you’re expected to actually perform the move 100 percent is in combat, you’re going to fail. Plain and simple. And since KM doesn’t represent itself in combat sports...they’re going to fail. And if KM DID represent itself in combat sports, stripped of its groin strikes, hair pulls, and eye gougues...it wouldn’t be KM, it would be techniques stolen from wrestling/KB/Boxing/MT/etc...it would just be a mishmash of other fighting arts.
I like to ask people to perform the “Krav Maga” challenge. What is the KM challenge? Simple.
I challenge anyone to find one video...ONE VIDEO...of a KM practicioner that isn’t a silly glossy promo video created by the KM studio and using actors.
You can find countless boxing videos...kickboxing...MT...wrestling...even TMA competition...all practicing and displaying the effectiveness of their craft.
But what you won’t find is anything but slick advertisements for KM. You won’t find one real KM fight. You won’t find one, not one, pair of KM fighters sparring.
So then...what is a “fighting art” that doesn’t spar? Why it is nothing, nothing at all. Just like a sniper school that doesn’t actually fire live ammo at targets.
Maybe he thought he was saying “Bring the knife to me and hand it to me”.
Well, it’s not an “art”, or a “sport”, that’s for sure. But when I’ve seen KM used on the street, things tend to get resolved very quickly indeed, so they’re doing something right.
As always, YMMV.
Edward’s Steak House was the first “real” restaurant I ever remember going to. They had sawdust on the floor and a delicious menu. Eventually, because of the neighborhood deterioration -— as you say -— they moved to another location and only a few weeks ago, closed for good.
Exactly! If they tried this in Guatemala, they would become one of the "desaparecidos," i.e., "the disappeared." They are snatched from their homes in the night, tortured until they die and thrown in a mass grave. They come here and achieve freedom from that and look what they do. They actually trashed the front of a police station last night. In addition, they were getting on top of buildings in the neighborhood and dropping the following objects, hoping they would land on the police officers: air conditioners, televisions and microwaves, among other heavy objects that can kill.
LOL.
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