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Some say bypassing a higher education is smarter than paying for a degree (Hey, just skip college!)
Washington Post ^ | 09/11/2010 | Sarah Kaufman

Posted on 09/11/2010 1:05:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Across the region and around the country, parents are kissing their college-bound kids -- and potentially up to $200,000 in tuition, room and board -- goodbye.

Especially in the supremely well-educated Washington area, this is expected. It's a rite of passage, part of an orderly progression toward success.

Or is it . . . herd mentality?

Hear this, high achievers: If you crunch the numbers, some experts say, college is a bad investment.

"You've been fooled into thinking there's no other way for my kid to get a job . . . or learn critical thinking or make social connections," hedge fund manager James Altucher says.

Altucher, president of Formula Capital, says he sees people making bad investment decisions all the time -- and one of them is paying for college.

College is overrated, he says: In most cases, what you get out of it is not worth the money, and there are cheaper and better ways to get an education. Altucher says he's not planning to send his two daughters to college.

"My plan is to encourage them to pursue a dream, at least initially," Altucher, 42, says. "Travel or do something creative or start a business. . . . Whether they succeed or fail, it'll be an interesting life experience. They'll meet people, they'll learn the value of money."

Certainly, you'd be forgiven for thinking this argument reeks of elitism. After all, Altucher is an Ivy Leaguer. He's rolling in dough. Easy for him to pooh-pooh the status quo.

But, it turns out, his anti-college ideas stem from personal experience. After his first year at Cornell University, Altucher says his parents lost money and couldn't afford tuition. So he paid his own way, working 60 hours a week delivering pizza and tutoring, on top of his course load.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: certifigate; chspe; college; degree; highereducation
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1 posted on 09/11/2010 1:05:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Cool! Can I also skip entry-level jobs and demand to go straight to being an executive, too?

-PJ

2 posted on 09/11/2010 1:07:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sometimes I wonder... Which is better, starting off at $28,000 a year as a truck driver with no debts or making $50,000 a year after graduating from college with a $150,000 debt...


3 posted on 09/11/2010 1:08:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What are his daughters’ names? I need to mark them off my list of possible physicians when they arrive back from traveling the world and setting up their dream doc in a box practice.


4 posted on 09/11/2010 1:11:33 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: SeekAndFind

..and for that 22K difference per year, in 6 years the guy with no college will still be making $28K and the guy who originally made $50K per year has paid off his debt and has moved up to making $75K.


5 posted on 09/11/2010 1:11:51 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: SeekAndFind
What matters is what you do after you get out of college. There are many people who never went to college who are much smarter than many of those who did because they adopted a lifetime habit of reading and learning. There are many who leave college and never pick up a book again. I know this for a fact because I interview college grads who can't even put a coherent paragraph together - verbally or written.

However, one thing that a good college can do for you is establish a lifetime of connections, provided you have good social skills and stay involved with alumni activities long after your college years are over.

6 posted on 09/11/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 88 days away from outliving Curly Howard)
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To: mnehring
Yeah, but these days that guy with $150K debt and dreams of a $50K job is driving a truck for $28K because his white-collar job is in India or China or somewhere else but here.

-PJ

7 posted on 09/11/2010 1:14:45 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: bgill

Am 2 months away from my 57th birthday. I have always had a high paying job and rose to the top wherever I was. Then was laid off from Wells Fargo in Dec 2008. I have not been hired anywhere since. No 4 year degree means no job in these times anyway. I am thanking God because my son is a freshman at Hillsdale College this year. He will need at least a 4 year degree to compete. That may not be enough.


8 posted on 09/11/2010 1:15:26 PM PDT by carjic (Laid off since Dec 08...HELP!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s best is doing the work you want to do with the least amount of non-paid school work possible.

For some people that may mean going to school and getting degrees.

For other people it is best to grab the first apprenticeship-type job that is offered.


9 posted on 09/11/2010 1:16:46 PM PDT by devere
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm 17 credits short of my BA. I've been passed over plenty of times for lack of those 17 credits. It took me a lot longer to move up the ranks.

Ironically, I was able to achieve a higher status than many people who passed me over for interviews in lower level positions, but I had to find an organization willing to look at my results.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have bypassed college and started a business. Being master of your own destiny is the only true path to security.

10 posted on 09/11/2010 1:17:11 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: carjic

Mine is looking at 7 years minimum.


11 posted on 09/11/2010 1:17:14 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Political Junkie Too

It depends on what you want to do.

If you want an MBA level job, you need the MBA.

If you want to be a Chemical Engineer, college is mandatory.

If you spend $137,000 to get a four year degree in Restaurant Management, you probably would have been better off going to culinary school.

Trade or technical schools are a better path that college for many people.


12 posted on 09/11/2010 1:17:25 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: bgill
I need to mark them off my list of possible physicians when they arrive back from traveling the world and setting up their dream doc in a box practice.

Well med school is like any trade school - it teaches a specfic trade. That does not mean the generic BA will teach anything useful.

13 posted on 09/11/2010 1:19:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: SeekAndFind

My son got his math degree and decided against all the entry level positions he was offered.

Instead, he went back to doing what he had always done to make money, work for his dad’s service company.

He got all the licenses he needed and now they are partners and doing fine.

Neither one of them would have ever been happy working for “the man”.


14 posted on 09/11/2010 1:20:09 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Political Junkie Too

Cool! Can I also skip entry-level jobs and demand to go straight to being an executive, too?
-——————————————————————————————Absolutely. It just helps to have a wealthy family to give you a little boost.


15 posted on 09/11/2010 1:21:10 PM PDT by bytesmith
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To: TheWriterTX

I was there. Went back and finished. So far, it hasn’t meant diddly squat difference, although I have had a much better contract which I wouldn’t have gotten had I not finished.

Sadly that contract was some time ago.


16 posted on 09/11/2010 1:22:13 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: SeekAndFind
Or you could join the armed services and travel to distant exotic lands, meet exotic people .... AND KILL THEM. What more could you ask of life? The military will also help pay for your college and in some cases fund it 100% in exchange for just a little more of your time....
17 posted on 09/11/2010 1:23:31 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: carjic
I spent my life working for one of the best, I mean really and truly the very best company. I had a few years experience in Sales when a position opened up in my company. I applied and after much testing and interviews, I was hired, never looked back/ In those days a degree was required, but my work experience seemed to fit. Years later my Regional Manager, asked me “ You don't have a degree do you”, I said “No”he said well a degree might help you get a job, but it wont help you keep it. After two weeks you are on your own.” I retired after 40 years, the last 15 in my old Regional Managers Job. Sure do miss all of the sales reps, and people I worked with.
18 posted on 09/11/2010 1:24:33 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("He will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live only for themselves' Romans 2:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

A DJ here in Memphis would say a boob job was more surer investment for young women than a college education. Unsure if he was right though.


19 posted on 09/11/2010 1:25:02 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: SeekAndFind

As anti-business, evil-capitalist stereotypes are taking hold in college cirricula across the country, it’s possible that businesses may alter their hiring practices...which would totally 86 the principal motive for American kids and their parents to scrimp, save and sacrifice for college “education”. It’s not likely they’ll still come to the door simply to get an ideological makeover.


20 posted on 09/11/2010 1:26:13 PM PDT by RepublicanMeansAmerican
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