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Social Engineering Bill In Senate Will Force You Into City
Personal Liberty Digest ^ | September 10, 2010 | Bob Livingston

Posted on 09/12/2010 2:34:36 PM PDT by Natural Born 54

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To: Natural Born 54
I won't say this is nothing to worry about. BUT. Crap like this Bill is introduced all the time. 'Urban Planners' have been pushing this 'urban utopia' junk since the 1970's when I first got into Commercial Construction and Hi Rise Bldgs.

this 'stuff' is an Architect's wet dream. to us it's a nightmare

121 posted on 09/13/2010 4:22:49 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Is that Long Beach?


122 posted on 09/13/2010 4:23:04 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: STARWISE

Hmmmm..couple this bill with the recent reports of billionaires like George Soros and others buying up millions of acres of farmland across the globe as the new ‘in’ investment and the implications are chilling.

Heaven help us!


123 posted on 09/13/2010 5:34:59 AM PDT by penelopesire (NEVER FORGET!! 'You are either with us or you are with the terrorists')
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To: Regulator

” You can already see the effects of this stupidity in California.
High density developments are erected in existing cities while “green space” areas are set aside, conveniently occupied only by employees of the Trusts that “own” them (they never buy them, the land is basically stolen by manipulation of zoning laws or extortion against the existing owners). “

California has been on the “leading edge” of self destruction for the past 20 years. I left in 06 ;-)


124 posted on 09/13/2010 6:32:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: azkathy

“I don’t think people in this area will take to the idea of Government telling you where to live.”

It will not be as overt as the Soviet Union. Instead, living outside of the city will become ever more expensive via taxes and fees targeting such a choice.

For example, a restored farmhouse will be very expensive to sell if it requires $100K of work in order to meet Federal code.


125 posted on 09/13/2010 6:43:28 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Canedawg

I always did like Artie Johnson!


126 posted on 09/13/2010 9:50:15 AM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Stat-boy
For example, a restored farmhouse will be very expensive to sell if it requires $100K of work in order to meet Federal code.

That's my fear. I believe one of the things being kicked around with the cap and trade bill were mandatory energy evaluations, to be compared to some "federal standard". Another possibility was a requirement to meet these "standards" before you could sell. Like you said, it could force those of us who live in old farmhouses to either stay put, or lose a ton of money to sell.
127 posted on 09/13/2010 11:01:42 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Natural Born 54
Sigh. First the government encourages sprawl with all kinds of hidden subsidies, and then it tries to undo it by passing coercive regulation trying to limit sprawl.

Of course, it never dawned on these idiots that the most efficient thing to do is simply remove the hidden subsidies.

It reminds me of financial reform. First the government creates tax incentives that encourage leverage, only to pass coercive regulation trying to limit leverage.

They never learn.

128 posted on 09/13/2010 12:51:43 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Regulator
So the "environmentalist" model for livable commoonities is...Manhattan. A tiny sliver of land, hyper populated, people living in rabbit warrens, and outside....blissful wildernesses occupied only by the Chosen Few.

Two points

1) Living in Manhattan is actually great, if you can afford it. Contrary to your assertion, a large fraction of the elite in New York live in Manhattan, just for this reason. There's a reason why its real estate is as expensive as it is.

2) If not for the huge hidden subsidies we give suburbanites (i.e. free highways, commuter rail, subsidized phone, postal and broadband service to people in less populated areas, etc), more of the country would look like Manhattan.

3) The correct policy is to remove the subsidies and force the people who choose to live in the sticks pay the full cost of their lifestyle choice. Instead, our masters want to maintain the subsidies but then try to coerce people to live how they want them to. Go figure.

129 posted on 09/13/2010 1:03:08 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Clintonfatigued; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
This bill is designed to destroy your community.



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130 posted on 09/13/2010 6:53:19 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

The goal


131 posted on 09/13/2010 7:42:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Natural Born 54

This would start a war.


132 posted on 09/13/2010 7:58:20 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: thecodont; george76; LucyT; STARWISE; Natural Born 54; bamahead; Lady Jag; potlatch
Cheer up, Comrades!    As you perhaps already know, it's the era of  'smart growth',  'Agenda 21'  and Sustainable  Bureaucracy!  ...Soon, we're going to be moved into our new homes... all in high-rises along the railroad tracks!!!

http://www.seadogbytes.com/misc/Agenda21.jpg


133 posted on 09/13/2010 9:11:38 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth"... isn't.)
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To: nascarnation

BOOKMARK!!! GRRRRR!


134 posted on 09/13/2010 10:23:16 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Now days every news headline looks like it should be from the "Onion")
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To: CitizenM

No...you’re not naive...you just haven’t had it handed to you on a platter yet. The sustainable growth land use laws in Oregon were implemented in, IIRC, 1972. So...if you can stop it in your state now, you are way ahead of the game.

When we were looking for a little property we had to go the county/state land use people first. We were told that even though folks pay a lot of money for their land, it’s not theirs...they just “lease” it. Too, even if one had 40 acres, it was against the law to put up more than one home...even if it was a mother-in-law home for her old age.

Do a search for Agenda 21. It’s the UN’s desire for the entire world...and in much of the world it’s in effect.

Believe me...they aren’t jealous people. These are folks in our own country...who profess to love this country...who are doing this to us.


135 posted on 09/13/2010 11:54:54 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: mojitojoe

Did you see this?

Bastards!


136 posted on 09/14/2010 9:19:20 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Natural Born 54

btttffi


137 posted on 09/14/2010 8:16:55 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Walmartian
You can read about a bunch of crap here.

You can also go to the source.


138 posted on 09/15/2010 4:57:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Forgot the link. Oops.

Agenda 21

139 posted on 09/15/2010 5:01:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Seadog Bytes

High rise cardboard shacks, huh? Lol. We already have them along the border. Barrios - the streets run with sewage!

Sorry I’m so slow replying Seadog. Nice to see you posting!


140 posted on 09/17/2010 3:37:51 PM PDT by potlatch
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