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UN to fully implement Agenda 21, Obama to endorse plan at 9/20-22 Summit
United Nations ^ | 9/17/2010 | UN 2nd Committee

Posted on 09/18/2010 8:48:32 AM PDT by wheresmyusa

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To: La Lydia

Thanks for the information
not sure why you felt the need to vbe snarky
“Not rocket science.”
no it is not rocket science but it was unknown to me.

thanks again for explaining it though


41 posted on 09/18/2010 2:00:49 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: La Lydia
You are the one who is confused, and don’t start in on me again.
You have two choices: 1. continue with your unsubstantiated nonsense, or 2. explain what a bank that generates business for U.S. exporting firms has to do with Agenda 21.

You have submitted me to some of the most ugly and uncalled for hectoring on this forum before.
Not even close.

42 posted on 09/18/2010 3:10:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: RWGinger

Ex-Im bank loaned money to Petrobras so that it could hire American firms and buy American equipment. Some people here think that that’s a bad thing, but they don’t know why.


43 posted on 09/18/2010 3:12:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

WEll that sounds good
so is there any proof Petrobras spent a significant part of the 2 Billion with USA companies?
The loan was ok’d over a year ago so some money should have been spent with American companies


44 posted on 09/18/2010 4:26:37 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Seeing that Ex-Im Bank specializes in these sorts of deals . . . and the matter can be determined by simply sending a copy of an invoice . . . and defrauding Ex-Im is a federal offense . . . and there would be a rather long list of American companies screaming about it . . . .


45 posted on 09/18/2010 4:31:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

All that is good but is there any proof that you know of Petrobras has in fact spent money with American companies
If this is under Congress oversight there should be a way to check this
frankly 0dumbo has done little to earn any trust. It would not be surprising to see his hand in this.


46 posted on 09/19/2010 8:52:06 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
If you are beginning with the assumption that Petrobras screwed Ex-Im Bank, then there is nothing I can provide you that will prove otherwise.

Now, in the real world, U.S. firms that were to benefit from that program would be screaming.

47 posted on 09/19/2010 3:31:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Interesting that you think asking for verification a condition was meant is a hostile request.
so have you been able to find any verification?
I am guessing not since you immediately went on the offense.

Trust but verify
what is wrong with that ?


48 posted on 09/19/2010 5:38:59 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
You have an interesting sense of "hositility." Also, rhetoric:

A: Campbell's Soup makes cans that are free of botulism.
B: Can you prove that this Campbell's Soup can is free of botulism?

49 posted on 09/20/2010 5:55:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: wheresmyusa
Well so much for the FReepers who were run off when they tried to warn about this. I made one post about Agenda 21 some time ago and got nothing but grief and very nasty FReep mail about it. Under this regime no “conspiracy” theory is too wild.
50 posted on 09/20/2010 6:02:27 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: 1rudeboy

is that what you are calling verification now? Hostility?

Your argument is meaningless on several levels.

The issue I brought up was do we in fact know Petrobras lived up or is living up to their end of what some posted is the agreement, that we loan them money and they spend money with American conpanies.

apparently you have no interest in learning whether any of the 2 Billion we loaned with conditions has in fact been spent here with USA companies.

Nothing wrong with that and I hope you understand others want verification


51 posted on 09/20/2010 7:21:37 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
Your argument is meaningless on several levels.
Irony, meet Ginger.

The issue I brought up was do we in fact know Petrobras lived up or is living up to their end of what some posted is the agreement, that we loan them money and they spend money with American conpanies.
Well, we don't know. Again, in the real world, if we are to proceed from the assumption that Petrobras is not living up to its agreement, it would be incumbent on the person making the assumption to provide some sort of evidence that it is not. Not the other way around.

52 posted on 09/20/2010 7:29:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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“if we are to proceed from the assumption that Petrobras is not living up to its agreement, it would be incumbent on the person making the assumption to provide some sort of evidence that it is not.”

1. Asking the question is NOT assuming anything. That actually is WHY one questions.
2.No it would be incumbent on the lending agency or hopefuuly Congress to ascertain that.


53 posted on 09/20/2010 7:33:30 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
"so is there any proof Petrobras spent a significant part of the 2 Billion with USA companies?"

Do you see the embedded assumption?

54 posted on 09/20/2010 7:36:34 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I really am nonplussed and have nothing more to post
thank you for a discussion


55 posted on 09/20/2010 7:43:11 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Thanks for letting me know. I’ll be posting some Ex-Im threads in the future. Please keep an eye out for them.


56 posted on 09/20/2010 7:44:25 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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