Posted on 09/18/2010 12:10:48 PM PDT by presidio9
At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.
The party adopted an official platform in June that keeps a long-held position in support of making homosexual acts illegal, a policy adopted after the Montana Supreme Court struck down such laws in 1997.
The fact that it's still the official party policy more than 12 years later, despite a tidal shift in public attitudes since then and the party's own pledge of support for individual freedoms, has exasperated some GOP members.
"I looked at that and said, 'You've got to be kidding me,'" state Sen. John Brueggeman, R-Polson, said last week. "Should it get taken out? Absolutely. Does anybody think we should be arresting homosexual people? If you take that stand, you really probably shouldn't be in the Republican Party."
Gay rights have been rapidly advancing nationwide since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Texas' sodomy law in 2003's Lawrence v. Texas decision. Gay marriage is now allowed in five states and Washington, D.C., a federal court recently ruled the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy unconstitutional, and even a conservative tea party group in Montana ousted its president over an anti-gay exchange in Facebook.
But going against the grain is the Montana GOP statement, which falls under the "Crime" section of the GOP platform. It states: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."
Montana GOP executive director Bowen Greenwood said that has been the position of the party since the state Supreme Court struck down state laws criminalizing homosexuality in
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Another liar promoting the homosexual agenda.
This Montana GOP platform has nothing to do with people per se, it is their actions; and if they do those actions out of the public eye know one will know or care.
And funny you’re bringing Christine O’Donnell into this discussion as she doesn’t live in MT and has nothing to do with this thread. You must be a leftist trying to somehow taint her with this nonsense.
I disagree. I think there is a growing groundswell of disgust and “I’VE HAD ENOUGH” against the homosexual agenda. I think you would be very surprised to find that in many states citizens would be more than happy to have laws against homosexual acts. This would mean that pro-homosexual indoctrination in schools could get the boot, as it richly deserves.
BRAVO!
Justification of immoral behavior because of another immoral behavior is liberal nonsense. You'll have to keep watch and constantly check your conservative barometer. You're getting dangerously close to defending homosexuality. Must be hard for you to simply post little jabs when you want to let fly, ain't it.
Yes indeed... heheh
That's the attitude that allowed the sodomite movement to permeate American Institutions:
"The Buggery Blitzkrieg that started in 2003 came fast and furious. Not unlike the French of World War II, traditionalists were quickly overrun and astonished at the lightening-fast strike that came from the homosexual lobby. From Lawrence v. Texas to Gavin Newsom's weddings by the bay, traditionalists were overwhelmed by the war that was unleashed on them."
The RETURN of sodomy laws will help "chase the purveyors of sex and violence back beneath the rocks whence they came."
It does not say public fornication. It says homosexual acts. Meaning it’s illegal inside your own home. Insane to try and control your fellow Americans that way.
Strange but true, like a million other counter-intuitive things. Plus, we cannot examine the uterine environment easily during an ongoing pregnancy, nor predict which unborn babies might be gay. So the androgens came about because men with a couple older brothers have a significantly greater chance of being gay. There can also be an estrogenic influence by exposure to plastics and toxins -- it is still an ongoing discovery. We do not know the interplay.
There was a law on the books until 97. Not ONCE did cops break down someones door and arrest them. Not only that but no one was EVER prosecuted under the law. HOWEVER, it kept their deviancy OUT of the public eye.
Try using some common sense instead of emotion. It works better.
Of course I am not being obtuse. I am arguing for LOGIC and FREEDOM.
Does anyone here not find public masturbation offensive? Do we not want such an act in public to be banned? Does that mean we need a law banning ALL MASTURBATION??? Do you get it now?
Banning public displays of sex (of any kind) is a fair law. Banning homosexuality is wrong and anti-freedom.
I fear it is you who are arguing out of emotion and not logic.
Follow the example in my previous about masturbation. If you don't want an act in public, ban the public display of it. Someone copulating in the street should be arrested, no matter what orientation.
It is illogical at best to make a grand law banning something across the board, in order to restrict it in a small area.
First, answer my post 371.
Second, a law would get their deviancy out of the schools and it would not be taught to children as a a healthy, natural alternative.
That's fact and logic Yaelle. Not emotion. This lifestyle kills and homosexuals have a shorter life expectancy. It should NOT be taught to children as normal. It is against all the laws of nature.
Banning homosexual acts was perfectly fine until leftists and militant homosexuals decided to radicalize and demoralize America.
You like the homosexual agenda, I don’t.
I don’t want homosexuals recruiting young people in schools and other places with the “gay is good” and “you’re born gay and can’t change” lies. These lies KILL, Yaelle.
That doesn’t seem to bother you.
Just who is killing homosexuals with AIDS and other horrible diseases? It is other homosexuals, no one else.
You seem to be fine with that. You keep spouting the lie that homosexuals are born that way when even homosexual activists themselves admit that is not true.
The fewer people recruited via seduction and molestation into the “gay” life, the more lives saved.
Homosexuals are driven to be wildly promiscuous and take terrible risks and enjoy public displays of sex, they haunt public areas like parks, public bathrooms, high way rest stops and the like to recruit and have anonymous sex. They even have admitted that this is part of their “culture”! They want to lower the age of consent so that younger teenagers will be legally theirs to target.
Yet all of this is just fine and dandy to you. Your claim of “freedom” is a lie. There is a difference between “freedom” and “hedonistic licentiousness”. If homosexuals acted like responsible human beings and kept their damned sex lives to themselves, none of this discussion would be necessary. Unfortunatey, that is so far from the case that they stuff their miserable, unnatural and destructive sex lives in everyones’ faces and now the tide is turning. People have been too tolerant of perversion for too long. Anyone who actually cares about homosexuals as individuals want them to seek help if they want it - which means telling the truth that they can change, that help is there - and wants them to stop killing themselves and each other with the “gay” deathstyle - it’s not a lifestyle, but a deathstyle.
Your support of the homosexual agenda on Free Republic disgusts me. Real love is telling the truth, not telling lies that help keep homosexuals enslaved to a life of misery, shortened by disease.
No; you raise very valid points, but you are trying to kill vermin with a nuclear bomb.
I would be with you with keeping sex completely out of government schools.
There are a lot of lifestyle choices that kill. It’s supposed to be that way in a free society. People can race motorcycles, climb mountains, smoke 3 packs a day, eat far too much, drink too much, etc. Homosexuality is NOT the only unhealthy choice.
We do not know all the laws of nature. There is homosexuality in other species for various reasons, and there are wonders in nature that only G-d can explain. You find homosexuality abhorrent, I get it. But it’s no mare against laws of nature than bees flying or horses being trained to dance.
It’s wrong to make homosexuality illegal.
What would you do with a little girl, 6, who begged for a boy's haircut, refused to wear anything but boy's exercise shorts with the stripe on the side, plain t-shirts, and sneakers??? She loves sports and art and fun. She has a husky little voice and people assume she is a boy. But she has girl plumbing.
What would you do with a little boy, 6, who wants to be a princess every Halloween (but settles for a prince or a glittery knight), whose favorite color is pink, who colors his nails with crayons, loves to play with My Little Ponies, is a great dancer and a great student, with a wonderful sense of humor and a heart full of love.
Would you beat it out of them? Disown them?
Thirty years ago would you have tried to beat autism out of your son?? Hit him with a belt because he played with his Matchbox wheels for an hour, just rolling them and not playing with the cousins at Christmas?? Would you have thought that your boy with autism was being "fresh" when he threw a tantrum because he got the red balloon instead of the green one, and whacked him a good one to teach him a lesson?
I speak for the children, born with a condition that makes them different. Every child is precious and deserving of a full and happy life. If Jim wants me off this forum for that belief, I'd go. I'd die for my stance; I'd die for my children.
Your claim that there is homosexuality in nature is nonsense. First of all, almost all “homosexuality” observed in animals is either a display of dominance, or due to being deprived of natural mates, not actual attempts at mating when having access to the opposite sex. Second, animals observed in zoos or other non-natural environments do not count as “natural”. Third, animals also regularly do things such as consume feces, mate with close relatives, eat their young or others’ young, roll or smear themselves with feces and so on. Should humans emulate these “natural” acts by animals?
Notice that everything that you listed is a behavior. So is homosexuality. and none of those things are genetic or behaviors caused by hormones. People CHOOSE to do them. Just as some choose homosexuality.
Homosexuality is NOT the only unhealthy choice.
So you are trying to excuse immoral behavior by listing dangerous behavior? And that excuses/justifies homosexuality how?
We do not know all the laws of nature.
I know that an anus was not meant for sex. I know that a vagina was not meant for a fake phallus. Both actions cause damage. Both actions cause tears and infections. It's called "Gay Bowel Syndrome" for a reason. There is NOTHING natural about using a body part in a way that is harmful and can even cause death.
There is homosexuality in other species for various reasons,
So you're saying that homosexuals are no better than animals?
But it’s no mare against laws of nature than bees flying or horses being trained to dance.
It IS unnatural. An anus was designed to flush body waste. It was not meant as a receptacle for a sexual organ. To use it that way causes tearing and infections. A vagina was not meant to receive a hard, lifeless phallus. That too causes tearing and infection. These actions are NOT natural. They are simulations of what nature intended.
It’s wrong to make homosexuality illegal.
It is right to force it out of schools, the courts with fake civil rights claims and out of the public.
I don’t care about the behavior, but how do you expect the Government to enforce these types of all..
Kindness means telling the truth, not supporting lies that kill. Again, you lie that homosexuals are born that way, when they are not. And they admit they are not. You are supporting the "gay" agenda by claiming that they are born that way and cannot change; that is damning them to a life of misery and disease.
What would you do with a little girl, 6, who begged for a boy's haircut, refused to wear anything but boy's exercise shorts with the stripe on the side, plain t-shirts, and sneakers??? She loves sports and art and fun. She has a husky little voice and people assume she is a boy. But she has girl plumbing.
What is your point? That some girls are "tomboys"? There are plenty of normal women who were "tomboys" as girls, myself included. Who are these theoretical girls? Did anyone encourage them to act like boys? Do they have older brothers they want to emulate? Were they molested? Is it a natural phase for them? Your emotion driven nonsense is just that - nonsense!
What would you do with a little boy, 6, who wants to be a princess every Halloween (but settles for a prince or a glittery knight), whose favorite color is pink, who colors his nails with crayons, loves to play with My Little Ponies, is a great dancer and a great student, with a wonderful sense of humor and a heart full of love.
More emotion driven nonsense. Theoretical little boys are just that. Theory. Just because some boys are attracted to typically feminine interests doesn't mean he will grow up to be a homosexual. Maybe such a boy needs some fatherly masculine influence; many homosexuals had a distant, emotionally cold or absent father.
Would you beat it out of them? Disown them?
Boys need masculine role models to become good men. Fatherless boys need a father figure. There are uncles, older brothers, male teachers, rabbis, ministers and so on who can fulfill those roles. Unfortunately the organization "Big Brothers" has been infiltrated by homosexuals so that is out of the question. Your bringing of "beating it out of them" is more nonsense.
No six year old boy is sexually attracted to other boys, btw.
Thirty years ago would you have tried to beat autism out of your son?? Hit him with a belt because he played with his Matchbox wheels for an hour, just rolling them and not playing with the cousins at Christmas?? Would you have thought that your boy with autism was being "fresh" when he threw a tantrum because he got the red balloon instead of the green one, and whacked him a good one to teach him a lesson?
You're really going off the deep end. Autism and homosexuality have nothing in common. First I was giving feminine acting boys a beating, now I'm whipping my autistic child. You're in cloud cuckoo land, Yaelle.
I speak for the children, born with a condition that makes them different. Every child is precious and deserving of a full and happy life. If Jim wants me off this forum for that belief, I'd go. I'd die for my stance; I'd die for my children.
Children are not born "gay". You refused to answer DJ's comments about that. They are not born as sexual perverts. And there is help for homosexuals, there are countless numbers who have given up the "gay" life. By clinging to the lie that they are born that way, you are dooming them to a life of disease and unnatural acts that are harmful to the mind and body.
Real love means admitting the truth and telling the truth. It is possible to love family members or friends who are homosexual and still tell them the truth. In fact, that is the only way real love can grow, in at atmosphere of truth, not an atmosphere of lies.
They aren't born with the"condition" Yaelle. It's environmental. Even homosexuals know that.
Page 184 from After the Ball: “We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence”
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