Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hudson Tunnel Review Raises Fear for Project
New York Times ^ | Sunday, September 19, 2010 | PATRICK McGEEHAN

Posted on 09/20/2010 4:54:07 AM PDT by Willie Green

Few elected officials have ever inherited a public works project that promised as many benefits as the proposed Hudson River commuter train tunnel is supposed to deliver to the constituents of Gov. Chris Christie.

Advocates for the project, which would add a second pair of tracks between New Jersey and Manhattan, say it will reduce traffic congestion and pollution, shorten commuting times, increase suburban property values and create 6,000 construction jobs. Before Mr. Christie became New Jersey’s governor in January, the state’s elected officials had already lined up $6 billion for the project from agencies outside the state.

Despite everything that the project appeared to have going for it, Mr. Christie ordered a review this month of the tunnel’s cost, a move that many supporters of the project worry could signal its undoing.

During the 30-day review, digging will continue on the New Jersey side of the river, but no new work will begin. “If I can’t pay for it, we’ll have to consider other options,” Mr. Christie said last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: commuters; nyc; transit
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-39 next last
Good grief....
I understand that NJ is really strapped for cash....
But Christie has to be dumb as a rock if he thinks building more highways is gonna alleviate traffic congestion around NYC.
Talk about trying to cram 20# of "stuff" into a 5# bag!!!
Sheeeeeeesh..... dig the tunnel!!!!
1 posted on 09/20/2010 4:54:12 AM PDT by Willie Green
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

All of these projects have ot be paid for. A hundred million for the tunnel is a hundren million that the taxpayers no longer have to spend on THEIR priorities. Have you ever read Bastiat’s “What is seen and not seen?” That explains my point of view on government projects quite well.


2 posted on 09/20/2010 4:59:37 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

We understand in your commie utopia money grows on trees. In the real world you have to pay for it and Christie is doing the adult thing. If it were viable private corps would be lining up to invest rather than Gummit boondoggles.

Pray for America


3 posted on 09/20/2010 5:01:48 AM PDT by bray (The Tea Party Manual: http://www.brayincandy.com/id239.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

I think it very wise of the governor to take a hard look at this project with an eye toward preventing another accounting/cost-overrun fiasco like Boston’s “Big Dig”.


4 posted on 09/20/2010 5:06:01 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

Christie’s concept is radical: if the state can’t afford it, the state can’t do it. It would be real nice to continue with the tunnel project but the state can’t afford it. Until New Jersey gets its budget in order and cuts back in other areas, it won’t go forward or will do so on a slower pace. This is common sense. I don’t know why we don’t hear all 50 governors saying this more often. I don’t know why we don’t hear our Congressmen saying it more often.


5 posted on 09/20/2010 5:13:20 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
For your edification Willie

What is Seen and Not Seen

6 posted on 09/20/2010 5:22:20 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

Nothing is stopping YOU from digging it. Go ahead. You’ll be a Hero. A veritable Ford, Edison of our times.


7 posted on 09/20/2010 5:25:45 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

Christie was on the radio this morning and explained this whole mess. He said every dollar over 8 billion is on the taxpayers of NJ and so far he has over run estimates of 2 to 5 billion with no end in site.

He said he could not in any conscience sign the taxpayers up for such an open ended liability like that.

Good for him. We need this man to head the U.S. Treasury


8 posted on 09/20/2010 5:31:53 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard
Until New Jersey gets its budget in order and cuts back in other areas, it won’t go forward or will do so on a slower pace. This is common sense.

No it isn't.
Delays will only increase future construction costs. not lower them.
Christie would be better off saving money by cutting red tape and streamlining tunnel construction to finish ahead of schedule and under budget.

9 posted on 09/20/2010 5:36:31 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: GlockThe Vote
Good for him. We need this man to head the U.S. Treasury

No we don't.

The man is a bureaucrat who is increasing costs with more red tape.

He should be cutting through the red tape to help bring the project in ahead of schedule and under budget.

10 posted on 09/20/2010 5:40:24 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
The best part of the article is at the end - what should be the real issue, is that the Federal Gov’t is planning to dig a second new tunnel in about the same place for Amtrak (that other well run government fiasco) in a few years.

Why not combine them? The answer is obvious - power and control. Think how many favors can be handed to union workers by the Feds if they can do two major projects instead of one! What a disgrace.

Go Gov Christie! Make them earn it.

11 posted on 09/20/2010 5:53:45 AM PDT by dan on the right
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
“If I can’t pay for it, we’ll have to consider other options,” Mr. Christie said last week.

Yea, he's a nut alright. Imagine the craziness of actually having funding secured and an ROI analysis in place before the Goobermint starts a project.

It's madness....madness I say!

12 posted on 09/20/2010 5:56:58 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
...bring the project in ...

Nah he should kill the boondoggle altogether. Big “public works” projects like this and the “big dig” exist primarily to transfer wealth from the taxpayers to the favored supporters of whatever the current regime is.

13 posted on 09/20/2010 5:57:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

I live here, so stop with the nonsense. You are not fooling anyone.


14 posted on 09/20/2010 6:03:20 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: from occupied ga
Claude Frédéric Bastiat (30 June 1801 – 24 December 1850)

I've reached the conclusion that all those ivory-tower political-economists are total boobs and morons.

The nonpartisan theories of Frederick Winslow Taylor (1856-1915) are much more insightful. His incredible genius is still not fully understood or appreciated. He was way ahead of his time.

15 posted on 09/20/2010 6:04:12 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: GlockThe Vote
I live here, so stop with the nonsense. You are not fooling anyone.

So tell us all about your daily commute between NJ and Manhatten...
And why it is soooooo much easier, quicker and less expensive to drive and park your car in NYC than to take the train/subway/ferry like millions of other New York commuters do.

16 posted on 09/20/2010 6:17:29 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green
I've reached the conclusion that all those ivory-tower political-economists are total boobs and morons.

Sadly Willie, there appears to be no hope for you if you confuse economics with project management. Further are you implying that Bastiat was in some sense "partisan?" As you noted he died in 1850, so he could hardly be partisan in anything going on today.

17 posted on 09/20/2010 6:18:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Willie Green

What does that have to do with NJ being bankrupt and not being able to afford any of this? Where is the money coming from?


18 posted on 09/20/2010 6:22:10 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: GlockThe Vote
I am sad to say that we have a similar project here in Northern Nevada. A “signature” bridge that started out as a $125 million project has ballooned to over 350 million. All to have a “stunning” view. It runs in the snow line and will be a giant wind hazard for trucks. Never the less we had to have it. Odd thing is that I testified twice that a cut and fill would be cheaper and safer but no - then they did the cut and fill to build the damn thing and it will ALL be removed. Government logic and what is not seen.
19 posted on 09/20/2010 6:25:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: from occupied ga
Further are you implying that Bastiat was in some sense "partisan?"

No, Bastiat was basicly a mere merchant/trader/middleman who viewed the relation between capital and labor as irreconcilable.

Taylor's genius is that he reconciles those differences in a manner that is mutually beneficial.

20 posted on 09/20/2010 6:39:31 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-39 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson