Posted on 09/20/2010 8:59:59 AM PDT by julieee
> “how did that work out for Him? He was crucified.”
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Are you not thankful that he was?
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And He rose again,
I’d say it worked out pretty well.
We are conservatives because we pledge our lives, fortunes and Sacred Honor to uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence. We are fiscal conservaties BECAUSE OF those principles. Without those principles there is NO BASIS to be a "fiscal conservative." A "fiscal conservative" is a RINO who wants to spend less of the fruit of your labor than a liberal.
As Lincoln said:
I have often inquired of myself, what great principle or idea it was that kept this Confederacy so long together. It was not the mere matter of the separation of the Colonies from the motherland; but that sentiment in the Declaration of Independence which gave liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but, I hope, to the world, for all future time. It was that which gave promise that in due time the weight would be lifted from the shoulders of all men. This is a sentiment embodied in the Declaration of Independence. Now, my friends, can this country be saved upon that basis? If it can, I will consider myself one of the happiest men in the world, if I can help to save it. If it cannot be saved upon that principle, it will be truly awful. But if this country cannot be saved without giving up that principle, I was about to say I would rather be assassinated on this spot than surrender it.
LIFE: AN UNALIENABLE RIGHT
Very disappointing.
I had high hopes for this guy.
Go to the BACK of the line, Ryan
And, is there a meaningful difference between the two?
All this is very disappointing.
And my friend from WI was banned from FR for calling Ryan a RINO last year!
Yeah...it did. But not so good for the thousands of Christians that became objects of blood sport in the Roman Colosseum during the period that followed.
Well put - when one can easily walk away from the reponsibility of parenting, it's real easy to walk out on a mortgage.
Marriage contract, loan contract - both broken like it was a walk in the park.
Disgusting.
Much like a democrat on taxes.. democrats just LUV taxes..
You know... BAD taxes come from rich republicans and good taxes come from UNrich democrats..
But they are with Jesus now, and they have received the ultimate reward. I hope that I’m never put to such a test, but I hope that The Good Lord would give me the spiritual strength to endure so that I can spend eternity with a joy not to be found on this earth.
Lot of non-Christians were in the arenas with them, though, so I’m not sure that it’s relevant.
Besides, they, too, will rise again. Or so I believe.
Too Bad! Ryan had seemed to be a man of potential. He is as dead to me now as the babies whom his political cowardice would kill. He need not go around claiming to be pro-life any more than the financially obsessed Mitch Daniels or Haley Barbour. We may have to devise ways to show those Republicans who think this is all about money almighty that they cannot win without the socially conservative backbone of the GOP. Third party pro-life and GOP primary candidates for Congress against moral quisling incumbent GOP members in 2012 would be a good place to start. Bloody them up in the primaries or defeat them in the primaries and take their scalps then or in the general.
A voice of reason? Surely you jest. Single issues are so much more important than saving our country from the commies.
Social conservatism does not stop Leftism. Fiscal conservatism does. The goal of the Constitution is limited government. All our freedoms, including the freedom to advance social causes, flows from limited government.
The only way to stop this is to take away their ability to force you to pay them your money. This means limiting government. The only way to limit government is to have fiscally conservative policies.
This is not to say that social conservatism should not always and vigorously be pursued. But the opportunity to advance these causes is directly related to the degree to which government is limited by fiscal conservatism.
Of course fiscal policies will not "save" America from its moral decline. But limiting government, which is the goal and impact of fiscal conservatism, will help contain and maybe even defang the BIGGEST PURVEYOR of moral decline and the one that is the hardest for all of us to fight: the federal government.
If you think of it in terms of fighting an enemy, why in Hell's Bells would anyone decline to do ANYTHING that weakened their enemy (in this analogy, the federal government)?
Why would someone say, yes, the government has its jack boot on our throat, but we refuse to accept help from those people (fiscal conservatives) because . . . why? Because we think the hit they can put on our enemy isn't good enough?
We're going to sit there with the government's boot on our neck, while fiscal conservatives clamor to try to clobber our enemy for us -- but, no, we're going to wait for "our" troops to come to the rescue?
Really?
(And may I note that social conservatism does not necessarily correlate with fiscal conservativism.)
Social conservatism can be expressed politically, but it is even more effectively expressed SOCIALLY. Fiscal conservatism is very effective politically. As I have said repeatedly, it is the only aspect of conservatism that LIMITS GOVERNMENT and, thus, increases freedom, INCLUDING MORAL FREEDOM.
ANSWER THIS EXAMPLE FOR YOURSELF:
Let's say the best you can do is elect 50 social conservatives (what some on this thread call “true” conservatives) who may or may not be fiscally conservative. Once elected, they cannot (not enough numbers) or will not (not committed to fiscal conservatism) do anything to limit government. What have those 50 elected social conservatives accomplished for social conservatism?
Now let’s say you can elect 60 fiscal conservatives who may or may not be socially conservative. Once elected, they can (they have enough numbers) and they will (because they are committed to fiscal conservatism) do everything in their power to limit government spending at every turn.
In fact, they end up having enough political power and will to repeal Obamacare, which in turn greatly reduces the number of federal programs providing and paying for abortions.
Or they strip funding for the Czars, purely on fiscal grounds — but this means no Kevin Jennings forcing his perversion on schools.
What have those 60 fiscal conservatives accomplished for social conservatism?
I wouldn't turn down anyone willing to help us, through our constitutional political process, get the government's jackboot off our neck. I certainly wouldn't turn down those who espouse the only tact (fiscal conservatism) that will work.
Awwww.. Paul. Dammit.
Really? He’s going to ask the Dems to stop pressing their advances and advantages in those areas?
Terrific! Go Paul!
(Why do I think that’s NOT what the title means?)
Agree. Let me go a little further and say...leftism is built on social issues. Their MO is to raise social issues to the federal level in order to get the federal Gov't to pay for what the Church and local Gov'ts should be paying for i.e. local social needs.
Conservatives only shoot themselves in the foot when they choose to fight these battles at the federal level which only perpetuates the problem.
When you get responsible for the economy, you deprive these social programs of funding and drive them back down to the Stae and municipal levels to deal with. Drive the issues down to the local level and they diminish. When people have to face responsibility for these issues at the local level and their local politicians are the ones voting to take money out of their pockets rather than some guy in Manhattan they tend to get responsibile about social (family) issues real fast.
Not only do I want to hear more about what Ryan and Daniels have to say on this, I tend to think they very well may have the answer to all the social issues which plague us and on which the leftists thrive.
So did I..what a shame. This on the heels of reports today that HHS wants to query children on their sexual orientation.
You can’t have slaves in one state and freemen in another. Either all are slaves or none are slaves. Same wrt abortion. Your personhood doesn’t change when you cross state lines.
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