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Judge Orders Lesbian Reinstated to Air Force
MSNBC ^ | 9/24/2010 | Gene Johnson

Posted on 09/24/2010 4:52:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: DJ MacWoW
There is no judge that has jurisdiction over military policy.

DADT is Federal law. This GW Bush appointee does have jurisdiction there.

61 posted on 09/25/2010 7:25:12 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Am working on plans for a Knights Templar Community Center next to the Kaaba in Mecca.)
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To: prairiebreeze; SkyPilot

We do know the circumstances of her outing - the husband of her civilian lover dropped a dime on her.


62 posted on 09/25/2010 7:28:20 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Am working on plans for a Knights Templar Community Center next to the Kaaba in Mecca.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

A non military judge has no say over military regulations.


63 posted on 09/25/2010 7:29:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Like it or not, a Federal judge does have ‘say’ over the Federal law upon which the military DADT regs are based. Our military didn’t come up with DADT on their own - it was imposed upon them by Congress.

This case has been in the courts for 4 years, and litigated by the DOJ of both the Bush and Obama admins. Neither admin has suggested that the Federal courts do not have jurisdiction.


64 posted on 09/25/2010 7:39:39 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Am working on plans for a Knights Templar Community Center next to the Kaaba in Mecca.)
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To: Ready4Freddy
The Congress shall have the power:

Section 8, Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Where in there does it state that a judge can disagree? Are you ready for the lawsuits against the military regulations that will happen if this is allowed to stand? Congress declined to repeal DADT. Are you ready for black robed tyrants to rule in military regulations from the bench? There is no Constitutional provision for that.

65 posted on 09/25/2010 7:47:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Where in there does it state that a judge can disagree?

Judicial review is not a particularly new concept.

Are you ready for the lawsuits against the military regulations that will happen if this is allowed to stand?

The 'Witt standard' is already the law of the land in the Western US (9th Circuit), since the Obama admin chose not to appeal the 9th's decision in Witt. The suits are upon us now.

DADT will be history by the end of 2011.

66 posted on 09/25/2010 7:59:44 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Am working on plans for a Knights Templar Community Center next to the Kaaba in Mecca.)
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To: Ready4Freddy
Judicial review is not a particularly new concept.

The Constitution does not provide for that concerning the armed forces.

Show me where it gives the caveat that Congress can regulate the armed forces upon the approval of a judge?

DADT will be history by the end of 2011.

Not if citizens win the next election.

67 posted on 09/25/2010 8:07:01 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Julia H.
What I want to know is, why do so many gays have a problem with DADT if, as they claim, they simply want to serve their country without pushing homosexualist politics?

The second law of Homosexuality:

To the mentally healthy (heterosexual), sex is something you do.
To the mentally diseased ('homosexual'), sex is everything you are.

Their entire self worth and self image is bound up in their sexual perversion. Without having their sexual perversion known and accepted they have no self worth whatsoever. Therefore they must broadcast their perversions and try to force the rest of the world to say that black is white and white is black and what they are doing is OK.

68 posted on 09/25/2010 10:54:45 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: WestwardHo

One recruiter never had trouble making his quota. He would turn in the papers for background checks for “Tom ONES”, then after they came back clean, add the “J” to “ONES”. Later, when we put the fellow in for a security clearance after he got to his unit the local record check would find the guy had a rapsheet that was several 3 by 5 cards long. (each charge was one line on a 3 x 5 card). And so we would give him a dischage. More work for us, and our infantry units had 3 man squads in 1979. Thanks Jimmy C.


69 posted on 09/26/2010 8:52:38 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: WestwardHo

One recruiter never had trouble making his quota. He would turn in the papers for background checks for “Tom ONES”, then after they came back clean, add the “J” to “ONES”. Later, when we put the fellow in for a security clearance after he got to his unit the local record check would find the guy had a rapsheet that was several 3 by 5 cards long. (each charge was one line on a 3 x 5 card). And so we would give him a dischage. More work for us, and our infantry units had 3 man squads in 1979. Thanks Jimmy C.


70 posted on 09/26/2010 8:52:48 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: donmeaker

I listen to Mark Levin, and stop whatever I’m doing to listen to Ray Charles sing “America” at the end of the Friday progam. It carries me away to another time.
As all this corruption oozes to the surface it brings on a grief beyond words.
It’s a sense of betrayal that we have put our hopes in an ideal I’m not sure ever existed.
More and more I understand that the only hope that does not disapoint is hope and trust in our unchanging God.


71 posted on 09/26/2010 9:40:03 AM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: SkyPilot
>>and the lesbian will be reinstated,

Hopefuly only until she's court marshaled for Adultery.

"You agree that adultery is not consistent with high standards of integrity, correct?" Phipps asked.

"Yes," Witt responded.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/20/margaret-witt-dont-ask-dont-tell-trial-it-kills-me_n_732264.html
Whatever the maximum penalty for Adultery is under the UCMJ - it should be applied to her/him/it.
72 posted on 09/26/2010 12:39:52 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: prairiebreeze; DJ MacWoW; Julia H.
>>And we don’t know the circumstances of her “outing”.
 
She was committing adultery: 

"You agree that adultery is not consistent with high standards of integrity, correct?" Phipps asked.

"Yes," Witt responded.

The moment she steps on post, she should be incarcerated for that offense and then prosecuted/punished to the full extent allowed under the UCMJ.
 
Enough of this butchy BS.

73 posted on 09/26/2010 12:48:42 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill; prairiebreeze; Julia H.

You know what Bill? You’re right. And I never caught the adultery aspect. Thanks for pointing it out.


74 posted on 09/26/2010 12:51:22 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: arthurus
[Once DADT goes away HIV will become the military’s biggest problem and the way for the taxpayers to fund the homosexual lifestyle and its medical expensses.]
 
DADT going away would do nothing to remove the prohibition against homosexuals in the military that existed before DADT.
 
To hell with Clintoon's DADT.
 
ASK under penalty of perjury - and get them either OUT or in LEAVENWORTH.

75 posted on 09/26/2010 12:58:44 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: DBeers; prairiebreeze; Julia H.; All
Government lawyers nevertheless insist Witt's firing was justified—and that the panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals did not know the extent of her conduct when it sided with her in 2008. That conduct included a long-term relationship with a civilian woman, an affair with a woman who was married at the time and two earlier relationships with fellow servicewomen, Witt acknowledged in a deposition in May.

No problem.
Reinstate her - then immediately arrest and charge her under the same articles of the UCMJ as would apply to a heterosexual service member. Should be good for a couple of years in Leavenworth, along with a Dishonorable Discharge instead of a General.

76 posted on 09/26/2010 3:01:20 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! Â)
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To: LomanBill

Thanks for the links. I appreciate the discussion.


77 posted on 09/26/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Professional Left: Using Your Money to Promote Their Ideology Since the 1930's)
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To: Ready4Freddy
The 'Witt standard' is already the law of the land in the Western US (9th Circuit), since the Obama admin chose not to appeal the 9th's decision in Witt. The suits are upon us now.

However, Witt has not gone to the SCOTUS, so it only holds in the 9th Circuit for now. When it does, the Court will likely turn to this case which they affirmed on grounds of the compelling need to preserve good order and discipline in the Armed Forces. The 9th does have quite a record of being overturned.

10th Circuit Opinion

78 posted on 09/26/2010 3:46:56 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Link not working, try this:

http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/52/52.F3d.851.93-3377.html


79 posted on 09/26/2010 3:48:42 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: LomanBill

If they take away DADT they will take away the original ban along with it or the Left will be assaulted with much very public wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Left. Judges will also deem that eliminating DADT also eliminats the original ban on the theory that just promulgating(it was never “passed”) DADT repealed the original ban. When the government does not appeal decisions then a lower court ruling is the same as a USSC ruling in effect.


80 posted on 09/26/2010 4:44:57 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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