[sauropod]

The more surveillance cameras you install, the safer you are. Since this has proven to not be the case as the perps simply wear hoodies, attempts to shut down these cameras have been made. The bills have failed. The UK is now the most surveilled country in the world. Without any effect whatsoever.

And we are headed down exactly the same path. They're just a little further along it.

[texmexis best]

I don’t think we are headed dowon that path. Had 9/11 not happened, you might have been right, but the attack on the Pentagon, the WTC and flight 93 moved us into a diferent direction.

The elections will be a good test and I think it will become quite clear that we are moving differently than the UK or Europe for that matter.