Single Payer Coming Under Obamacare

Human Events ^ | October 2, 2010 | Roger Hedgecock

[dixiechick2000]

What an awesome post! Thank you so much!

“I hope Sharron Angle stomps Reid flatter than a tortilla.”

Ohhhhh...I am SO there!

[Tzimisce]

Did you even read my responses?

Are you even trying to understand my point?

Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

[dixiechick2000]

Okay...explain this...

“Most of the guys who voted for Obamacare will win and get sent back.”

That’s just one thing that I don’t understand.

[dixiechick2000]

Then, there’s this...

“There is a reason Nancy Pelosi is smiling: cause she just took a dump on the American people and she’s not even facing a re-election challenge in her home district.”

Every single member of the House is up for re-election...even Nancy Pelosi.

She will be re-elected, but she won’t have the power, anymore.

In fact, I suspect she will retire, shortly.

[dixiechick2000]

“Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?”

Everyone who knows me knows that I don’t do that.

[Tzimisce]

Every single member of the House is up for re-election...even Nancy Pelosi.

Didn't I just say that?

She will be re-elected, but she won’t have the power, anymore.

Wrong. She's a ranking Democrat part of the Democrat leadership in the House. She'll keep that.

In fact, I suspect she will retire, shortly.

Liberals never give up their power. They only "retire" when it's obvious they're beat (see Bart Stupak who's poll numbers were so bad he didn't even bother trying to run for re-election).

[Tzimisce]

“Most of the guys who voted for Obamacare will win and get sent back.”

That’s just one thing that I don’t understand.

Simple math. 435 House seats up for re-election this fall. According to most figures I've seen, anywhere from 90 to 100 seats are "in play". That's less than 25% of the House at large.

Now - 217 of this bunch voted for Obamacare. If 100 of them are voted out, that's less than than half the guys who voted for Obamacare.

Don't get me wrong - this will be historic, lots of people are going to get voted out. Lots of people from "safe" districts are going to have their butts kicked to the curb.

But in the big picture, it's pretty sad.

[dixiechick2000]

“Wrong. She’s a ranking Democrat part of the Democrat leadership in the House. She’ll keep that.”

She has seniority, but whether she will have any power at all after the election will depend on how the ‘rat caucus vote goes. There will be many/some who won’t be inclined to vote for again after her abysmal performance as party leader, and SOTH.

This remains to be seen.

“Most of the guys who voted for Obamacare will win and get sent back.”

This was my point of contention, and you still haven’t answered it. Or, maybe I missed something in the translation? It seemed like a pretty forthright statement to me, though.

[dixiechick2000]

“Now - 217 of this bunch voted for Obamacare. If 100 of them are voted out, that’s less than than half the guys who voted for Obamacare.”

Fuzzy math...

First...if one person loses a seat, that’s a swing of two seats. Take away one seat from one party, add that seat to the other party, and that amounts to a two seat swing.

Dems have 75...Reps have 25. Say 25 Dems lost.

75 - 25 + 50. Right?

However, 25 Reps + 25 Dem losses = 50 seats.

So, even though the Dems had 75 seats, and lost 1/3 of them...thus giving the Reps 25 more seats to add to their 25 current seats...it leaves them tied at 50 seats each.

If 100 are voted out, that’s a 200 seat swing.

You’re right...it’s simple political math.

“But in the big picture, it’s pretty sad.”

The entire years since November 4, 2008 has been pretty sad, but things are looking way up, now.

[dixiechick2000]

“75 - 25 + 50. Right?”

That should be 75 - 25 = 50.

Sorry...

[Tzimisce]

If you say so.

...I’m starting to realize why we’re in trouble as a nation...

[dixiechick2000]

“...I’m starting to realize why we’re in trouble as a nation...”

Me, too.

If there are only two sides, and one is taken from one side, the only place for it to go is to the other side.

Are you into basic math, or the really new math?

[dixiechick2000]

“Most of the guys who voted for Obamacare will win and get sent back.”

BTW. you still haven’t answered that...

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

But, he has. I think his point is, even if the most optimistic scenario we have pans out, less than half of the rats who voted for Obamacare will still be tossed out, hence most would be re-elected. Your thinking of the swing in balance, which is not the same thing.

[Tzimisce]

BTW. you still haven’t answered that...

I've answered this question two or three times.

Okay, I'll answer it again: 217 people in the House voted for Obamacare. They "deemed" it passed. Their votes sent Obamacare to the White House and Obama signed it.

Flash forward to the present. It is now estimated that somewhere between 40 and 100 House seats are currently "in play". If 100 of those people lose their seats, there are still 117 who got re-elected.

100/217 = Less than 50%. And it's (100/435 = less than 25%) less than a quarter of the House at large.

There should be 217 Congress right now in close elections. Sadly, there is not.

[Tzimisce]

Me, too.

If there are only two sides, and one is taken from one side, the only place for it to go is to the other side.

Are you into basic math, or the really new math?

I don't know how much more plainly I can explain myself.

You truly can't understand my point?

[dixiechick2000]

I give up.

You clearly don’t understand my point, and I don’t understand yours.

[Tzimisce]

You clearly don’t understand my point, and I don’t understand yours.

How can you NOT understand my point.

I understand yours: every Democrat voted out will become Republican.

But not that many Democrats are going to be voted out.