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The Emerging ObamaCare Massacre
IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 10/4/2010 | David Hogberg

Posted on 10/05/2010 9:19:27 AM PDT by Slyscribe

Here’s a Post-it note for ObamaCare supporters and opponents: Over the weekend 3M (MMM), the maker of the ubiquitous sticky message pads, along with electronics, optics and more, decided to end its retirees’ access to its health care plan beginning in 2013. According to the Wall Street Journal:

“health care reform has made it more difficult for employers like 3M to provide a plan that will remain competitive,”

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 3m; healthcare; mcdonalds; obamacare
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1 posted on 10/05/2010 9:19:37 AM PDT by Slyscribe
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To: Slyscribe

Obama needs to be impeached, tried for treason and brought to justice for the way he is ruining our country.


2 posted on 10/05/2010 9:22:51 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Slyscribe

This is not an unintended consequence. The goal all along was to leave people clamoring... begging... for a fully government-run health care system.


3 posted on 10/05/2010 9:27:34 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Slyscribe
My Father, who worked there for 30 years - one of those there at the BEGINNING OF Post-It Notes....is rolling over in his grave.

All those that voted for Obamacare need to be voted OUT!!!!!!!!

4 posted on 10/05/2010 9:28:15 AM PDT by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: Slyscribe
“health care reform has made it more difficult for employers like 3M to provide a plan that will remain competitive”

You mean to tell me that 3M isn't able to operate at a loss ad infinitum like the government is able to do? Oh well, the objective all along has been for all other insurance plans to fold so that the government will be the only player left.

5 posted on 10/05/2010 9:32:14 AM PDT by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Slyscribe

As Rush has often said, this was Iman Obama’s purpose: to destroy private health insurance.


6 posted on 10/05/2010 9:35:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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7 posted on 10/05/2010 9:40:24 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Slyscribe

I’ve been with the same company for 27 years and can retire “any time I want”, but reach Social Security retirement age in six more years. One of the attractions is retiree health insurance, basically, a suppliment to Medicare. I can see this getting hosed, good.


8 posted on 10/05/2010 9:48:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: ScottinVA
The goal all along was to leave people clamoring... begging... for a fully government-run health care system.

But it's not going to work because people know how crappy government health care is.

They'll be demanding to go back to private plans.

9 posted on 10/05/2010 9:51:34 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: ScottinVA
...This is not an unintended consequence. The goal all along was to leave people clamoring... begging... for a fully government-run health care system...

You are exactly right. It's designed to fail.

Every year my employer hires an insurance consultant to wade through all the plans out there and to help us decide which way to go. I spoke with her this year and she said that ObamaCare was indeed designed to fail so the Feds could step in and "save us".

10 posted on 10/05/2010 9:54:30 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Yoiks...and away!!)
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To: NordP

all those who voted for Obama need to be voted off the island. Maybe, N. Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, or Zimbabwe or some other socialist utopia would take then and given the a dose of what they want without further inflicted us.


11 posted on 10/05/2010 9:57:01 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: Slyscribe; thethirddegree; NordP; Lonesome in Massachussets

Probably one of the more outrageous claims about health care legislation is that it establishes “death panels”. I decided to investigate this claim carefully beginning when bill HR3200 first came to light. If this claim made sense, then I could and do accept other concerns with only cursory examination.

The U.K. Telegraph and others awarded Sarah Palin a prize for telling the greatest political lie of 2009 when she became the first source for claiming the legislation would establish “death panels”. In fact her following statement discloses one of many deceits within health care legislation. Next follows an explanation of how this outcome will be realized.

Sarah Palin said, “The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

Her anxiety arises from seeing hordes of new bureaucracies provide the framework for boundless regulatory masterpieces eroding human freedoms. The stimulus bill created the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology and the Health Information Technology Research Centers. These bureaucracies duplicated private sector information bases, utilizing computer technology for coordination and flow of recommendations and policies for medical knowledge. Now the legislation Obama signed adds over 100 new boards, commissions and programs. For example a new Medicare Commission, exempt from judicial review, will unilaterally write rules about utilization and pricing of medical devices and drugs often needed by surgeons.

The HHS Secretary will use these bureaucracies to reflect Congressional intent; not the will of the people. The regulations will utilize disquieting legislative provisions, selected legislator speeches, and selected expert testimony. Regulations will incorporate ideas politicians consider too sensitive for public debate. Medical professionals will join other private sector professionals I know such as education financial aid directors and CPA’s, who often serve as federal agents instead of client advocates. I know because I spent 18 years of my professional life intimately involved with managing federal grant programs and preparing tax returns for trusts.

There are a variety of influential sources for understanding the methodology of rationing. One can consult public statements of Tom Daschle, our health care Czar without portfolio, President Obama, and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who is Rahm Emanuel’s brother. However, Princeton bioethics professor Peter Singer recently presented in the New York Times Congressional and Administration intent comprehensively and without equivocation. “Rationing health care means getting value for the billions spent by setting limits on which treatments should be paid for from the public purse….There’s no doubt that it’s tough – politically, emotionally, and ethically - to make a decision that means that someone will die sooner than they would have if the decision had gone the other way….The task of health care bureaucrats is then to get the best value for resources they have been allocated….If a teenager can be expected to live another 70 years, saving that life gains 70 years, whereas a person of 85 can be expected to live another 5 years, then saving the 85-year-old will gain of only 5 life-years. That suggests saving one teenager is equivalent to saving 14 85-year-olds”.

Peter Singer’s scientific approach reminds me of the Geneva Conventions, which attempt rational, moral threads to grasp during wars’ barbarity. For my Navy experience pulverizing a major enemy base in Vietnam, I especially liked the clear and obvious reading of Articles 28 and 29 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The VC were clearly responsible for any civilian deaths on the base. Those civilians qualified as Protected Persons within the enemy’s physical control, and could not be used to render certain points and areas immune from military operations.

The passages furnished the basis for rules of engagement we followed when attacking a legitimate military target. Distance provided me the blessing of avoiding the clean up after-wards for the mess I helped create. However, I am certain our task force was an effective “death panel”. We permanently shattered that VC main force unit, forcing it to surrender the region to South Vietnamese control.

Government bureaucrats will apply similar detached patterns of analysis to those which enabled our ship to apply over 400 rounds of naval artillery to a VC base camp. Politicians will use the implementation process through regulation and exemption from judicial review to disconnect totally from consequences of their actions. The resulting health care regulations will place everyone on pathways to federally defined, cost effective, approved treatments. Seniors and the disabled will hold second class citizenship, because popular philosophies, as discussed above, find these people deficient in societal contributions compared to active workers and youth.

When Sarah Palin speaks of an “America I know and love” she understands that federal administrative laws and regulations are the soft underbelly of our Constitution. Pursuit of happiness means spiritual prosperity within the hazards and uncertainties of personal freedoms. Once again politicians fabricated enchanting material security, while obscuring subservience to rules vastly increasing their power.

This legislation attacks our Bill of Rights by confiscating speech and religious freedoms, personal life without access to courts and trial, and Ninth Amendment personal freedoms guaranteed, but not enumerated by our Constitution. Under English Common Law which serves as the basis for implementing our Constitution, people are innocent until proven guilty. Administrative law operates under the principle people are subject to, guilty of its provisions until they can succeed in a process to escape it.


12 posted on 10/05/2010 10:04:17 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: ScottinVA

Zackly...This is what they wanted. Make the “evil” corporations look bad and then they can “come to our rescue” with the government socialized medicine plan.


13 posted on 10/05/2010 10:07:39 AM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: thethirddegree

ObamaCare patterned after Mein Kampf and a Final Solution?


14 posted on 10/05/2010 10:08:29 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010. Let's Roll!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
They'll be demanding to go back to private plans.

IOW - to put the toothpaste back in the tube...

15 posted on 10/05/2010 10:25:05 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: NordP

Well and good but whats to happen to all those who voted for Barry and the dems? To dump Barry and his minions is treating the symptom not the cause.


16 posted on 10/05/2010 10:25:42 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Slyscribe

“health care reform has made it more difficult for employers like 3M to provide a plan that will remain competitive,”

Right - “competitive” with the government subsidized plans, which was the intention - destruction of private health insurance - all along.


17 posted on 10/05/2010 10:34:26 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Retain Mike

Excellent essay. I especially like your focus on the the actual mechanism of decoupling personal responsibility from the death-enabling decisions that will be rewarded under Obamacare. Non-responsibility is always the secret love of a bureaucrat. Instead, it should be used as a litmus test for whether anyone is trusted with power - if they enjoy it, they should never be allowed to have it. Thanks for posting.


18 posted on 10/05/2010 10:39:19 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Slyscribe
Someone PLEASE tell this ignorant half-wit that Americans ALREADY paid for health care benefits for the indigent and others in America and have done so FOR DECADES!!!!!!!!

Taxpayers’ incomes have been systematically and summarily siphoned away from us to finance ALL the many forms of relief which the lazy and illegal’s have enjoyed gratis, all this time!!!

IF ‘O’ DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY…. HE SHOULD ASK FOR IT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO COLLECTED IT FOR HIM!!!!

IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY, THEN WE ARE ALL RUINED!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!

It is THAT simple!

19 posted on 10/05/2010 10:43:40 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: Retain Mike

You are carrying them

It costs 50,000 Reichsmarks on average to care for a person with a genetic defect through age 60.


20 posted on 10/05/2010 10:44:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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