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Anti-gay minister shouldn't be able to intrude on soldiers'
Washington Post ^ | October 6, 2010 | Doug Gansler

Posted on 10/06/2010 11:29:16 AM PDT by Kaslin

Today the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments in Snyder v. Phelps, a case about the nature and scope of basic rights -- those of free speech vs. those of privacy. But this case is fundamentally about wrongs and the law's imperfect ability to redress them.

The facts of the case are well known. Matthew Snyder, a Marine lance corporal from Westminster, Md., was killed in the line of duty in Iraq in 2006. The Rev. Fred Phelps and members of his Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church traveled more than 1,000 miles to Maryland to picket his funeral and draw attention to their view that society and the military are too tolerant of homosexuality. They stood at the entrance of the church where the funeral was held, waving signs that said "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Hates Fags" and "God Hates You."

hey followed their protest by publishing a poem on the Internet entitled "The Burden of Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder," which stated that Matthew's parents "taught Matthew to defy his creator" and "raised him for the devil." The connection between the Phelpses' faith and their political views may be difficult to understand, but it is not difficult to see how this targeted expression of their views would be particularly hurtful to Matthew's father on the occasion of his son's funeral.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
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1 posted on 10/06/2010 11:29:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Intruding on the grief of others is just plain wrong especially when that intrusion is politically motivated.


2 posted on 10/06/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Kaslin
"Anti-American Democrat Bigot Shouldn't Be Able To Intrude On Soldiers'"


3 posted on 10/06/2010 11:32:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Kaslin

I guess this minister does not believe in love the sinner and hate the sin. Not very Christ-like is he? In any event he should intrude and worsen the grief of others.


4 posted on 10/06/2010 11:35:23 AM PDT by LottieDah (Exterminate the 'Rats and save the Republic!)
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To: Kaslin

I wouldn’t want to be Fred Phelps on his judgement day.


5 posted on 10/06/2010 11:36:37 AM PDT by Smittie
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To: Kaslin
"Thank God for Dead Soldiers,"

This is not protected speech. It is naked treason and was prosecuted as such during WWII.

Treason, perjury, libel, slander, and inciting a riot are not protected speech. Laws against sedition go in and out of fashion but treason is defined as a crime in our Constitution and it is providing aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime.

6 posted on 10/06/2010 11:36:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Kaslin

No one cares enough about the Phelps clan to counter protest where they live. We should just stop giving Phelps free publicity.


7 posted on 10/06/2010 11:36:49 AM PDT by donna (This is the age of Republican-Feminism. We "feel right”!)
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To: Ev Reeman

This case is not about what is right or wrong or even moral. This case is only about our 1st amendment right to free speech.

I find the protesting at soldiers funeral to be morally wrong and in extreme bad taste but will fight for the right of these disgusting pigs to exercise their freedom of speech.


8 posted on 10/06/2010 11:37:33 AM PDT by my3centseuro
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To: my3centseuro
"I find the protesting at soldiers funeral to be morally wrong and in extreme bad taste but will fight for the right of these disgusting pigs to exercise their freedom of speech."

As repugnant, repulsive and reprehensible as I find the Phelps clan, I have to agree with you. The first amendment was clearly not intended to protect popular, generally accepted, polite, unobjectionable speech; such speech needs no protection. It was intended precisely to protect controversial, impolite, tasteless, contentious and disagreeable speech. As much as I would like to think that we conservatives would never use a funeral to promote a political agenda, surrendering that right altogether may turn out, in the long run, to be the more morally outrageous act.

9 posted on 10/06/2010 11:45:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: donna
There are other Democrats who say things as outrageous and hateful as Fred Phelps (D). But if you look at the headline, the lavender mafia use the pravda media to slur any Christians who take a moral stand against homosexuality.

Fred Phelps is the "go to guy" for their stereotype of all Christian opposition to homosexuality. It is based upon a lie. Fred Phelps' church has a membership consisting of SOME of his extended family, who also serve as litigators for the "church". He's been active as a candidate in Democrat politics. Who knows if he even believes the crap he spouts. He knows he serves to taint all Christians.

10 posted on 10/06/2010 11:46:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: my3centseuro

We do not have freedom of ALL speech.

It is against the law to yell fire in a theatre and cause a panic.

Free speech does have limitations.


11 posted on 10/06/2010 11:47:57 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Kaslin

Only anti-religious gays can intrude on our military and our religon.


12 posted on 10/06/2010 11:53:19 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Joe 6-pack; my3centseuro

The Phelps aren’t protesting the government.

They are protesting against private citizens.

The First Amendment does not give anyone the right to libel or slander a private citizen, and it’s protections, under the Constitution, are a buffer against GOVERNMENT intrusion into our lives.

The Phelps have no ‘freedom of speech’ protections when they protest and slander a private citizen.


13 posted on 10/06/2010 11:53:44 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: my3centseuro

I agree with you as I believe this could be a trap to shut up people like Rush, Levin, Beck, Hannity etc. Then you and I.


14 posted on 10/06/2010 11:56:39 AM PDT by mmanager (This Country is facing a 3/2 pitch count and we have a Muslim in the batters box.)
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To: a fool in paradise

All true. So why are we talking about what THEY want us to talk about? We’re not going to do anything about it, like counter protest where Phelps live.


15 posted on 10/06/2010 11:57:17 AM PDT by donna (This is the age of Republican-Feminism. We "feel right”!)
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To: Smittie

Anyone using God as a reason to insult or harass another person will have a particularly difficult judgment.


16 posted on 10/06/2010 11:58:57 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Bigh4u2
You're trying to put me in a position where I'm supposed to defend Phelps and crew...and that's not going to work. I will however, defend the first amendment. Suppose hypothetically that Lon Horiuchi got killed and the media was hailing him as a hero. The family of Randy Weaver and the Waco Survivors wanted to demonstrate at his funeral against both Horiuchi personally and the practices of the FBI and ATF.

Would you say they had no right to do so, provided they were not on private property, were not obstructing traffic, etc.?

17 posted on 10/06/2010 12:04:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: donna

Out him as a Democrat and anti-American activist first. Stop letting the media describe him as a “minister”. He’s as big a fraud as the Reverend Al Sharpton.

If we have to endure hearing that every jihadist is “NOT a follower of Islam” then I can denounce these hucksters as something other than Christian (and that goes for Barack Obama as well).


18 posted on 10/06/2010 12:09:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: pennyfarmer

Exodus 20:7


19 posted on 10/06/2010 12:35:15 PM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day ... John 8:12 & 14:6; Psalm 119:105; Joshua 24:15)
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To: Kaslin

Bump


20 posted on 10/06/2010 12:36:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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