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How Is It 'News' for Time to Hype 'Extreme Militias' In the Last Weeks of a Campaign?
newsbusters.org ^ | October 11, 2010 | Tim Graham

Posted on 10/11/2010 11:31:01 AM PDT by matt1234

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To: matt1234

Still waiting for definitive, conclusive revelation of the supposed motivating influences of so-called right-wing “Christian” militias on Timothy McVeigh.
Who was the man of swarthy skin color and black hair accompanying McVeigh at the Ryder rental office, and walking away from the bomb truck with McV after they parked it under the Murrah Bldg? Apart from telling me that, anything else is speculative crap.


41 posted on 10/11/2010 6:41:33 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Oh wait, hasn't everyone heard? TIME is now going fair and balanced and Next week is running their cover story on Obama's Civilian National Security Force. I know a gal at TIME and she said everything is going to be discussed: hidden stimulus funding of the OCNSF (as she call it), secret training bases including paratrooper and special forces training (Red Dawn anyone?), membership percentages from the panthers, crips, bloods, muslim brotherhood and MS 13. There are other gangs represented too. I've heard it's very competitive to get in and they aren't just taking anybody. She said you'll be surprised how the percentages break down. Also, I got another inside hat tip that they won't let in any SDS, SEIU or Environmentalists, saying they're too wimpy, or some such. The gal at TIME called me yesterday and said this was for real. Can't wait to see it on the newsstands!
42 posted on 10/11/2010 8:06:07 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: matt1234

Good thing it’s not 1980, when people actually read news magazines.


43 posted on 10/11/2010 9:59:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I’m at more risk from the local police than any of those groups.

If you add up their national false arrests and false assaults - I wonder where they would stack up.

1, 2, and 3 on the list - although quite prolific - kill their own, or at least within their own demographic.

Cops would come in at #4 - but #1 risk for regular law abiding people.


44 posted on 10/11/2010 11:22:25 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Prove it.


45 posted on 10/12/2010 5:30:46 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Back in the early 90's when Clinton was in, I was teaching at the middle school level and in the teacher's lunch room I had a cute albeit obnoxious female math teacher ask me rather loudly (across the room) if I was a member of a militia and the whole room paused for my reply. I looked up from my meal, considered for a moment then said: "Naaaaaaw, I wouldn't hang out with that bunch of sissies. 'Sides, they can't teach me anything new!" She ran screaming from the room and the other teachers made note that if you cross blades with me, expect to get cut. LOL I'm still making libtard heads explode like that in the teacher's lunch room, just at an inner city senior high now.
46 posted on 10/12/2010 8:25:47 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Zombie Hunters: We make dead things deader.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I’ve had friends assaulted by police officers while standing next to me.

And I don’t have to “prove” anything to you. Your education is your responsibility - not mine.


47 posted on 10/12/2010 9:01:51 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Eldon Tyrell

You made the assertion, so you have the responsibility to prove your assertions. Otherwise, you are just another internet liar.

Moreover, even if your anecdotal account is absolutely true, it still doesn’t prove your other assertions.

So once again, PROVE IT.


48 posted on 10/12/2010 9:10:31 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: mrmeyer

Well the Dems expect a repeat of “1994” in a couple of weeks.


49 posted on 10/12/2010 9:33:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Well Sharon Angles numbers have gone up, so with each new day, Harry is sure starting to look like he is becoming toast.


50 posted on 10/12/2010 9:37:47 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: Jeff Head

We may very well be very close to another revolution again.


51 posted on 10/12/2010 9:40:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: a fool in paradise
Time man of the year:
1938-Adolf Hitler
1939-Joseph Stalin
1942-Joseph Stalin
1976-Jimmy Carter
1979-Ayatullah Khomeini
and so on... thanks Time Slime Magazine...
52 posted on 10/12/2010 9:42:53 AM PDT by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (The Summer of Recovery is becoming the Fall of Fall...)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Groups according to TIME, that are NOT considered armed,dangerous or violent:

1) Crips
2) Bloods
3) MS 13
4) Black Panthers
5) Muslim Brotherhood
6) Earth Liberation Front
7) Students for a Democratic Society
8) SEIU

La Raza
Your Black Muslim Bakery
Earth First
The Weather Underground
The Yippies
New Black Panther Party
ANSWER
Code Pink

53 posted on 10/12/2010 9:58:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Wow - aren’t you a rude little pig.

Police kill about 300 innocent people/year with guns as of 1993. Not sure of the current rate. Univ of Chicago study. ref More Guns less Crime - by John Lott. Police violence is not the point of the book - just a statistic.

Much more information than your rude attitude deserves.


54 posted on 10/12/2010 11:33:08 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: dirtboy

The Militias didn’t contact me then and they’re not contacting me now. This is BS.


55 posted on 10/12/2010 11:35:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: matt1234
"If militias did not exist, it would be necessary for the Left to invent them." - Nitzche, paraphrased.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

56 posted on 10/12/2010 11:51:16 AM PDT by The Comedian (Keep talking while I reload...)
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Wow - aren’t you a rude little pig.

No, that would be you.

But I digress, please define "Innocent" in the context of your assertion. Moreover, if we take 300 as the data point, you have successfully refuted your other blanket assertions.

Nice job.

57 posted on 10/12/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: BenLurkin

It’s the magazine that has celebrities counted as the most powerful/influential movers and shakers. The minute they put Tom Cruise on the cover, it became a posher version of PEOPLE.


58 posted on 10/12/2010 12:21:56 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: matt1234
Gellman insists he has sparking new scoops: that Holocaust Museum shooter James Van Brunn really wanted to shoot Obama adviser David Axelrod; and that a New York man was attempting to build a “dirty bomb” and had “declared an ambition to kill the president-elect.” But the whole project feels like a rerun from the Clinton years and sounds like it was started when federal agencies arrested Michigan's Hutaree militia in March, and it hasn't had much of a rationale ever since.

(I am hard pressed to determine any “rationale” at any time for the federal agencies agenda)

Tim Graham is the author of the analysis at Newsbusters and has a good insight as to the motivation that lacks reason or honesty on the part of Time and its six month free ride to "new hire Barton Gellman." If this is all Bart can come up with in six months, well, that is just pathetic.

Starting off with a few guys in Ohio engaging in their right to their own flavor of "Community Organizing," it does not take long for the real article to begin to surface. That real article could aptly be titled "Tying nuts, racists and criminals to lawful Militias."

Getting right to it the author veers sharply to the left with the following grammatical cluster f***.

Readier for bloodshed than at any time since at least the confrontations in the 1990s in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the radical right has raised the threat level against the President and other government targets.

Of course, the dummy author fires his first shot by referencing two of the worst examples of federal government deadly force oppression in recent history.

We are barely away from the starting gate and already the federal paranoia begins to leak out with...

A small but growing number of these extremist groups, according to the FBI, ATF and state investigators, are subjects of active criminal investigations.

From which we get exactly two (2) examples of nut cases that are off their meds.

Walter Fitzpatrick, acting on behalf of a group called American Grand Jury, barged into a Tennessee courthouse and tried to arrest the real grand-jury foreman on the grounds that he refused to indict Obama for treason.

Darren Huff was arrested by Tennessee state troopers after telling them that he and other armed men intended to "take over the Monroe County courthouse,"

Then the author slowly opens the door to the real purpose of the article, painting racism, terrorism and any other “ism” he can conjure onto the target "militia."

He begins with "The Obama Factor."

None of these movements are entirely new, but most were in sharp decline by the late 1990s. Their resurgence now is widely seen among government and academic experts as a reaction to the tectonic shifts in American politics that allowed a black man with a foreign-sounding name and a Muslim-born father to reach the White House.

Well well, where did THAT come from? I thought the article was about some guys in Ohio and we get racism, xenophobia and "religious intolerance" in one sentence?

Then he immediately attaches "violence" and links it to "terrorist plots."

And yet there are exceptions, and law-enforcement officials say domestic terrorists are equally the products of their movements. Those most inclined toward violence sometimes call themselves three percenters, a small vanguard that dares to match deeds to words. Brian Banning, who led local and interagency intelligence units that tracked radical-right-wing violence in Sacramento County, California, says, "The person who's interested in violent revolution may be attracted to a racist group or to a militia or to the Tea Party because he's antigovernment and so are they, but he's looking on the fringe of the crowd for the people who want to take action."

Tying milita to TEA Party? Ah, that didn’t take long, now did it?

To further supports this fantasy he brings in three nut jobs. James Von Brunn, James Cummings and Richard Reid, none of which had any ties or associations with any form of a "militia." Having nothing to do with the subject of the article, he glues it together with the following bit.

"I can't tell you how much I enjoy being lumped in with sociopathic organizations like neo-Nazis, antiabortion extremists and Holocaust-denial groups," says Darren Wilburn, a private detective in New Smyrna Beach, Fla., who trains with a hard-core militia he preferred not to name.

Continuing, Barton Gellman (author) wanders even further from the point with a harpoon line fired to IRS protester Bob Schulz.

On the sidelines of the disparate antigovernment movement, its philosophers are edging their followers closer to violence. Bob Schulz, a leading exponent of the view that the IRS and much of the government it funds are operating illegally, has reached the brink of calling for war. The moment is significant because he is an influential voice among militia groups.

Again, one has nothing to do with the other and if asked the average Joe in army surplus BDU's getting a little field time in with his neighbors to have some sort of a plan in case of a disaster, who Bob Schulz is, most would answer "huh?"

This "free-range" association continues right up to the classic trump card.

The specter of the lone-wolf terrorist is what most worries law-enforcement officials, who return again and again to the searing example of Timothy McVeigh. Before destroying the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people, McVeigh cycled through several white-supremacist groups and militias. In the end he decided to act alone, abetted by his friend Terry Nichols.

Tim McVeigh, of course.

Here is the justification clearly revealed in the April, 2009 DHS "report" on Rightwing Extremism." How does our fairytale narrator put a bow on that?

" A high-ranking DHS official added that "it's almost impossible to find that needle in a haystack," even if the FBI has an informant in the group. James Cavanaugh, who recently retired from a senior post at the ATF and took part in some of the bloodiest confrontations with the radical right in the 1990s, says the creation of monsters in their midst is the greatest danger posed by organized groups.

Yep. Perfect justification for any branch of the fed-gov to suspect any American Citizen with the deranged audacity to be “dissatisfied” with current events. Think not?

Here is the finish and again, James Cavanaugh, ATF...

The ceaseless talk of federal aggression — and regular training to repel it — "becomes a hysteria where you constantly, constantly practice and nothing happens," he says. "Now most of them wouldn't go out offensively, O.K.? But generally why they're dangerous is that some people can't stand that rhetoric and just wait for it to happen. And they go off the rails, à la McVeigh."

And thus our rights go off the rails as well. Because this is CLASSIC projection.

regular training?

constantly practice and nothing happens?

can't stand that rhetoric and just wait for it to happen?

And the Feds go off the rails, à la WACO, RUBY RIDGE, etc. (didn’t see that coming, eh?)

What is most revealing is the author's nonstop references to guess what, previous Time Magazine propaganda! No less that fourteen times he "references" his opinion with previous articles, video reports, etc, that "prove" his postulations.

. (Watch TIME's video "Homeland Security Tradeshow.")

. (See Obama's troubled first year.)

. (Read "America's New Patriotism.")

Read "The Threat from the Patriot Movement."

See "Five Great Reads on Patriotism."

. (See pictures of Muslim in America.)

." (See the top 10 inept terrorist plots.)

(See the top 25 crimes of the century.)

. (Watch TIME"s video "WikiLeaks Founder on History's Top Leaks.")

. (See pictures of the Times Square car-bomb scare.)

. (See pictures of America's gun culture.)

." (Read "A Brief History of Civil War Reenactment.")

(Read "The War Over Patriotism.")

." (See TIME's photo-essay "Profiles of 'Open Carry' Gun-Law Advocates.")

Each is a link in the Time Magazine article to other Time pieces.

That seems to make sense to the folks at Time and in the context of "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" I understand their motivation. In order to hit that magic 5,000 words requirement for the article the only place they could go for that quantity of delusional babbling is of course, themselves.

.

59 posted on 10/12/2010 1:25:02 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: matt1234
Gosh, doesn't it stand to reason that if there were really a bunch of right-wing boogeymen out there like these "militia" types, that somebody here would at least know about it?

Not to say there aren't a few hangers-on from the days of Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, but that just isn't the mood of the "Tea Party" people at all.

This article is obviously supposed to scare the mental defectives that vote "blue" in time for the election.

60 posted on 10/12/2010 1:46:14 PM PDT by Kenton (Just my $0.02 worth...)
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