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To: BuckeyeTexan; Frantzie; Regulator; Jacquerie; Red Steel; SandRat; El Sordo; mlo; DirtyHarryY2K; ...
The US Supreme Court has said the meaning is found in common law. Not Vattel, but common law.

You don’t get a vote. It has been decided.

Until you understand that, your side will do nothing but lose, lose, lose. Times close to 100 now...

Ah, and here you show your true nature by siding with the most Tyrannical and Lawless of the branches of our government: The Judicial*. Not only do they ignore the Constitution when it suits them, but the proclaim and declare themselves to be above it, that it means what they say it means, and then they tell everyone else that they fall under the Constitution.
Consider, if you will, what the Supreme Court has said regarding this simple sentence:
          "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."
So important did the founders think the prohibition, to prevent unpredictable and arbitrary governmental conduct that they imposed the prohibition upon the states as well in Article 1, Section 10.

  1. The Supreme Court has ruled that the prohibitions against Ex Post Facto laws apply only to criminal law; Calder v. Bull in 1798.
  2. The Tax Code [tax law] may be retroactively changed, that is in an ex post facto manner, due to the above.
  3. The violations of the tax code are punished in Criminal Court, even if the portions were changed retroactively.

Add to this one instance things like Keelo v New London, wherein the Judiciary shows the utmost contempt for property rights and allows Government-sponsored larceny by ignoring the Fifth Amendment's "for public use" phrase. The expansion of the "exigent cases" wherein "Law Enforcement" needs no warrant in order to search or seize property. The absolute failure of the Judiciary to apply, as written, the law against Conspiracy Against Rights against such organizations as Universities which qualify for their prohibitions against BOTH the freedom of speech AND the Right to Keep and Bear Arms [though part of this lies on the heads of Prosecutors as well].

QED.

 

*Many make a big deal about how there are supposed to be "checks and balances" the government via its branches, but what is a check on the Judicial?

950 posted on 10/18/2010 10:27:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

EXCEPT the argument in WKA is sound. It is based on original intent. I like the reasoning in the dissent better, but I think the decision accurately reflects what the Founder intended.

And no, when they wrote “natural born citizen”, they were not thinking about a translation of Vattel that would be made 10 years in the future. If they wanted to follow Vattel, they would have - and written, “native” or “natural citizen” or “indigenous”. Not “natural born citizen”, echoing as it did the common law term “natural born subject”.

Toss out as many red herrings as you wish, but WKA stands solid on its own merits.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html


952 posted on 10/18/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: OneWingedShark

Good post.


966 posted on 10/18/2010 12:50:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: OneWingedShark; LucyT; BuckeyeTexan; Frantzie; Regulator; Jacquerie; Red Steel; SandRat; ...

Just to let the “girly-man” and his DOJ Holder’s brigade know that this issue is NOT going away, like they are hoping for, but is still very much alive. I just receive this in an e-mail from Gary Kreep!!!

October 18, 2010

My Friend of What is Right,

A new court filing that returns the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility to the U. S. Supreme Court warns that unless the judiciary makes a definitive decision in the dispute, it will be the same as allowing the political interests in the United States to amend the U. S. Constitution at will.

A petition for writ of certiorari has been filed with the U. S. Supreme Court from the 3rd U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision to uphold the dismissal of a case which alleges that Congress failed to follow the Constitutional mandate which “provides for Congress to fully qualify the candidate ‘elected’ by the Electoral College Electors.”

This means that the U.S. Supreme Court may soon review this case to decide whether to put it on the Court docket. AND, USJF will be filing a brief with the United States Supreme Court in support of this appeal if the Supreme Court accepts the case!

This is a huge win for those who have worked tirelessly to make sure that Mr. Obama’s Birth Certificate will finally be produced.

The lawsuit further alleges that “Obama was born a British subject/citizen to a British subject/citizen father and a U.S. citizen mother. Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and never intended to be one. Obama’s father was never even an immigrant to the USA nor was he even a permanent legal resident. Obama’s father was a foreign national sojourning in the USA to attend college. Obama is still a British subject/citizen to this day because he has never renounced that citizenship. According to this lawsuit, Obama was born a dual-citizen with dual allegiance and loyalty and is therefore not constitutionally eligible to be the president and commander-in-chief of our military.”

As we have proclaimed and proved for over ONE YEAR: “Mr. Barack Hussein Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE to be the President of the United States of America!”

Yet, Mr. Obama continues to NOT prove his American citizenship. He even jokes publically: “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead.” Those are the exact words that he exclaimed to NBC’s Brian Williams. Even a reporter from ABC news recently asked one of Mr. Obama’s top aides why he does not just provide his long form birth certificate!

Plain and simple: All we want is for him to prove his citizenship by providing a copy of that long-form birth certificate.

Yet, he has so much to hide from the American people!

He has reportedly spent more than $1,900,000.00 on attorneys’ fees to literally HIDE his birth records and much more.

In a damning brief recently filed by USJF with the California 3rd District Court of Appeal, Dr. Alan Keyes rightly argues that state election officials – not the U. S. Congress – had the duty to verify Mr. Obama’s eligibility for the 2008 presidential ballot. Note: This is in addition to the brief that we just filed with the Federal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal!

I sincerely believe that, one way or another, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!

Here is also what Mr. Obama is HIDING:
• His kindergarten records
• His Punahou school records
• His Occidental College records (which USJF has already subpoenaed)
• His Columbia University records
• His Harvard Law School records (where Supreme Court Justice Kagan could have divulged the records)
• His Passport
• His medical records
• His files from his years as an Illinois state senator
• His Illinois State Bar Association records
• His Baptismal records
• His adoption records
My friend, why is he hiding so many records? Quite frankly, because it would all point to the fact that he is NOT a natural-born United States citizen.....which would mean that he does meet the United States Constitution’s eligibility requirement for him to serve as President.

As a result, his election, and all of his actions taken while claiming to be President, would be INVALID!

Stimulus bill-—would be history! OBAMACARE-—not so! This new case warns that unless the judiciary makes an ultimate decision in the dispute, it will be the same as allowing the political interests in the United States to amend the United States Constitution at will.

What does Barack Obama have to hide? The more he hides-—the more questions arise!

A NEW YORK TIMES poll reveals that “One in five Americans believes Obama foreign-born and another one in four have doubts.”

Mr. Obama was elected both to the United States Senate and to the Oval Office without anyone PROVING that he was a United States citizen.

Many Members of both Houses of the United States Congress have raised the question about Mr. Obama’s eligibility to serve as President. So has 2008 Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin! Now, Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House of Representatives, and possible 2012 Presidential contender states: “If I were the president that would really concern me, not because of Fox News or talk radio or Rush Limbaugh, but what is there that he’s doing that would let that many people be confused?”

The bottom line: Mr. Obama has an “obligation” to figure out why so many Americans doubt his life story.

He could end this debate in 30 seconds, by showing to the public his long-form U. S. birth certificate.

World Net Daily writes: “Since even before Obama’s election, questions have swirled around his eligibility to serve as president, starting with the question of his birthplace. Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii, but the Certification of Live Birth provided by his campaign does not conclusively prove his birthplace, leaving him open to rumors that he was born abroad. Similarly, rumors have circulated that Obama is secretly a Muslim only claiming to be a Christian. Questions surrounding Obama’s religious belief stem from his adopted father’s Muslim religion, his childhood registration in an Indonesian school as a Muslim student and his current policies toward Islamic nations.”

If Barack Hussein Obama was born OUTSIDE the United States, he is NOT eligible to serve as President of the United States, because his parents could not pass that status onto him.

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States of America, specifically states: “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...”

Even if he was born abroad, his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of 14 years old when Mr. Obama was born, meaning that she could NOT pass her citizenship on to Mr. Obama.

Last year, Mr. Obama declared war on the United States Justice Foundation, and his attorneys have pledged to spend us out of existence. That’s his plan to keep his citizenship-related documents hidden from the public.

Now I’m pleased to tell you that the most compelling arguments yet are now before the court. And I’m pleading with you to keep us fighting for what’s right – for the truth! Our brief — filed on behalf of 2008 Presidential candidate Alan Keyes and Vice-Presidential candidate Wiley Drake, as well as California elector Markham Robinson with the 3rd California District Court of Appeal— refutes the claim by Mr. Obama’s attorneys that “jurisdiction over presidential qualifications lies with the United States Congress.”

Dr. Keyes points out that “this case concerns itself primarily with California state election law and the compliance or non-compliance by the Secretary of State in fulfilling her ministerial duties as chief elections officer of California. This is not a political question, but is, rather, a question well within the jurisdiction of this court to determine, as it is a duty that may be compelled by this court’s equitable power.”

Until he provides proof positive that he was born in the United States, Mr. Obama does not meet the U. S. Constitution’s eligibility requirement to serve as President. As a result, he and all of his actions are invalid!

Urgently yours for America,

Gary G. Kreep, Esq.
Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation

P.S. I believe that USJF will expose the most grievous hoax ever perpetrated on the American people! Together, we can force states to join the chorus demanding proof positive of Mr. Obama’s claimed eligibility to run for and serve as President. If nothing else, our case can keep Mr. Obama off the 2012 California ballot!


967 posted on 10/18/2010 12:53:53 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: OneWingedShark

You have nailed the issue. The judiciary is probably the most corrupt feature of our current government. Besides the ex-post facto phrase, there have been outright frauds perpetuated like the 16th and 17th. The court simply sits as a rubber stamp for tyranny.


984 posted on 10/18/2010 1:39:31 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: OneWingedShark

Good information, thanks so much for pinging!


1,000 posted on 10/18/2010 2:52:38 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: OneWingedShark

Take me off your ping.


1,189 posted on 10/19/2010 6:23:21 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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