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To: Alberta's Child

I think you are wrong on due diligence point. From what I read, Citi did the due diligence, found 45% of the loans didn’t meet underwriting standards, negotiated the price for the loans lower, but didn’t inform the buyers that 45% of the loans surveyed didn’t meet underwriting standards. The kicker in the article is that the buyers did not have access to the individual loan information. Citi didn’t give the actual loan info on each mortgage to the buyer; wasn’t available to the buyer to do the due diligence.


19 posted on 10/14/2010 6:50:32 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: November 2010
I understand that. My point is that the failure of Citicorp to disclose this kind of detail doesn't necessarily amount to fraud on their part. An investment company like Citicorp wouldn't be expected to disclose all information of this kind to prospective investors even in heavily regulated areas that require all kinds of disclosures.

Think of a mutual fund as a good example. If I am a mutual fund manager and you are a prospective (or current) investor, you are basically investing money in my fund based on the expectation that I am going to make prudent, sound business decisions that you don't have the time or knowledge to make on your own. Maybe I do some research into Company X and decide that it's a terrible investment at $45 per share for any number of reasons . . . but despite all those problems it is well worth the investment risk at $15 per share. Am I obligated to disclose -- to all current and prospective investors in my fund -- the information I used to make this decision, along with the reasons why I thought it was a wise decision to buy at $15 something (shares in Company X) that I wouldn't have even dreamed of buying at $45? Absolutely not.

If an individual investor does their own research and decides that investing in Company X at $15/share was a bad idea, then they really don't have any recourse against me at all. In fact, they're just making the case that they probably shouldn't be investing in my mutual fund in the first place.

22 posted on 10/14/2010 7:58:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: November 2010
Just as an additional FYI . . .

What Citi did in negotiating the prices of those "risky" loans downward is no different than what any bond fund manager does when determining what price he/she is willing to pay for different grades of corporate or government bonds. If a bond fund manager decides that a corporate bond paying 6% interest is a high default risk, then they just don't pay "face" value for that bond. It doesn't mean they don't buy the bond, it just means they discount (substantially) the amount they're willing to pay for it.

23 posted on 10/14/2010 8:01:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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