Posted on 10/15/2010 9:11:27 AM PDT by Ptarmigan
Agreed. Muni golf courses will not let you on without a collar. T-shirts and ball caps at a decent restaurant look terrible. A gentleman takes his hat off in a restaurant.
Puck is a wacky guy and a shameless self-promoter. But my meal at Spago outside S.F. in 1999 remains one of the 10 best of my life, and I have eaten in the best restaurants on the planet.
Would they have gone out in their skivvies to such a restaurant when they were in the service?
I'd take any one of these "disrespectful" old men over two dozen of your ilk.
Puck is a wacky guy and a shameless self-promoter. But my meal at Spago outside S.F. in 1999 remains one of the 10 best of my life, and I have eaten in the best restaurants on the planet.
Exactly. Just because these geezers were vets, they think they have the privilege of ignoring the dress code. T-shirts and shorts clearly aren’t acceptable!
“Most restaurants I know do not have a dress code. I am surprised that Wolfgang Puck’s do because I have eaten there and there is none. I usually think it would be those expensive haute cuisine restaurants.”
Maybe this is a hate cuisine restaurant?
btw, I just re-read your post. Thank you for your service.
Sorry, but unless there is something I’m missing, you do not go to a high end restaurant in t-shirts, shorts and baseball caps. Reminds me of the embarrassing sight of people parading past Ronald Reagan’s casket shorts, tank tops and fanny packs.
Come on people, make an effort. It is a place of business with rules. If you don’t like the dress code you should be eating at Applebee’s or something (God help you if you do...horrible food).
Being a vet doesn’t give you the right to override basic social contracts.
I agree with both of you, it's just no appropriate to show up to (what I'm led to believe is) a fine dining restaurant wearing shorts, t-shirts, and baseball caps.
I've seen folks eat at Mortons wearing jeans and t-shirts, I've seen folks attend Mass wearing cut offs and a Flyers jersey.
Is it really that difficult to put on a pair of khakis and a shirt with a collar on it if you're going to an expensive restaurant?
Conducting yourself in an appropriate manner is a sign of civility and respect for others.
The reason this society has coarsened is because people have forgotten that “respect” is a two way street!
Dressing down insults those around you who made an effort to look their best that evening.
Old enough. You take off your hat when you go in a restaurant. I don’t care if they shot Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. A man takes his hat off in a nice restaurant.
When the masses of Americans by watching TV - which ALL of it, especially the NFL supports Obama 100% and it will destroy America, then I have no respect for people who has sold out America for a TV clicker.
Idiots are delusional that Nov elections will mean anything.
Would any one of these veterans have gone out in their skivvies to such a restaurant when they were in the service?
Sure the Vets fought for everyone’s rights but that is the point. The restaurant has rights too.
Bingo! I totally respect these vets but when you go to a nicer restaurant you need to take the hats off and no t-shirts. It is just common courtesy. I know many people do not practice it but they should.
When I’m working, consulting on the road, I normally fly home at least once a month. I fly in jeans and flannel, since comfort is important in an otherwise truly annoying “commute”. I’m on board to get to where I want/need to be, not to impress.
I’m a vet also, but I don’t think that you even try to enter a “high class” place in shorts and a t. Every vet knows about the hat gig.
“If they had explained who they were and what they were doing, it would not have happened,” she said. “It was a mistake and we’re apologetic.”
The one vet was also, "a graduate of the Wharton School of business and a retired hospital administrator from Maryland." I'm sure he has a pretty good grasp of what is appropriate for a "business casual" environment.
Also keep in mind that this is Texas, where it's generally acceptable for people to wear ridiculous cowboy hats just about anywhere, and people get highly offended if you even suggest they remove them. IMHO, an 8th Air Force ball cap is certainly no more offensive.
Sounds like the East Coast. Definite class system where you better know your place and stay there. One of the students at the University did an internship in Connecticut and he saw the difference. Here in Colorado, a well to do person will have a beer with a snowboard bum and think nothing of it.
I also did several business trips to NJ and I have been talked to on not to be friendly with the custodial staff and to ignore them. I was not management but in their definition, considered a white collar worker. This is one of many reasons I refuse to take a job no further East than Ohio and no further North than NC.
> Unfortunately there is an education system in the world that actively discourages rational thought - the European one. There the class system still exists.
> I wonder which educational method produced this hostess?
What educational system taught older folks, especially men, to wear baseball caps and t-shirts in a nice restaurant?
This is called manners. I would bet at least one of these gents was an officer in the service. You don’t dress like that at a nice place.
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