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ATF's oversight limited in face of gun lobby
Washington Post ^ | Oct. 26, 2010 | Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi

Posted on 10/26/2010 10:33:36 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

MARTINSBURG, W.VA. -- Trucks filled with boxes of gun-sales records pull up almost daily to a one-story brick building nestled in the hills outside this blue-collar town. Inside, workers armed with Scotch tape and magnifying glasses huddle over their desks, trying to decipher pieces of paper to trace the paths of guns used in crimes.

The National Tracing Center is the only place in the nation authorized to trace gun sales. Here, researchers with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives make phone calls and pore over handwritten records from across the country to track down gun owners. In contrast with such state-of-the-art, 21st-century crime-fighting techniques as DNA matching and digital fingerprint analysis, gun tracing is an antiquated, laborious process done mostly by hand. The government is prohibited from putting gun ownership records into an easily accessible format, such as a searchable computer database.

For decades, the National Rifle Association has lobbied successfully to block all attempts at such computerization, arguing against any national registry of firearm ownership.

"Those who wonder what motivates American gun owners should understand that perhaps only one word in the English language so boils their blood as 'registration,' and that word is 'confiscation,' " according to an NRA fact sheet.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: trapped_in_LA
So who cares where the gun came from that was used in a crime? You caught the dude, so put him/her in prison. The only thing you should be doing is looking at reported stolen gun records in order to return the gun to it’s rightful owner (if it was stolen).

You are apparently unaware of the dark magic forces present in all firearms. Much like a witch's potion, the proper amalgamation of steel, plastic, and wood creates a spell which inspires the posessor to all manner of mayhem and murder. This must be stopped by all means, Constitutional or otherwise. I'm sure I don't have to remind you what kind of Somalian nightmare we'd be living without the good 'ol 4473.

21 posted on 10/26/2010 12:29:46 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: trapped_in_LA
So who cares where the gun came from that was used in a crime? You caught the dude, so put him/her in prison. The only thing you should be doing is looking at reported stolen gun records in order to return the gun to it’s rightful owner (if it was stolen).

You are apparently unaware of the dark magic forces present in all firearms. Much like a witch's potion, the proper amalgamation of steel, plastic, and wood creates a spell which inspires the posessor to all manner of mayhem and murder. This must be stopped by all means, Constitutional or otherwise. I'm sure I don't have to remind you what kind of Somalian nightmare we'd be living without the good 'ol 4473.

22 posted on 10/26/2010 12:29:53 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: TXnMA

Hmmmm...DoG...Department of Guano...I like it!


23 posted on 10/26/2010 12:59:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: andy58-in-nh
If elected President, my first act would be to sign an executive order eliminating BATF and firing all of its employees. The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to regulate alcohol, tobacco or firearms.

Nah, you'd have to execute them. Otherwise, think of the type people that you're turning loose on society pissed off and with time on their hands. Think of the havoc they'd wreak! They'd probably all become lawyers or some such thing.

24 posted on 10/26/2010 1:01:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Loyal Sedition
Sadly, I do not believe that succeeding administrations ever did anything to stop this illicit activity.

Prolly not. Bush was just about as statist as any Dem, just put a little bit more of a smiley face on it.

25 posted on 10/26/2010 1:04:28 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Niteranger68

Aren’t they one and the same?


26 posted on 10/26/2010 1:09:02 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany.")
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To: Second Amendment First
"Those who wonder what motivates American gun owners should understand that perhaps only one word in the English language so boils their blood as 'registration,' and that word is 'confiscation,' " according to an NRA fact sheet.

No not according to any NRA sheet you two twits, Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi. According to REALITY.

Chicago's draconian Handgun Laws started with the mere matter of 'simple registration'. A little form the size of an Index Card. Pretty soon that 'registration' was slooooowly altered to NO MORE Handgun registrations being allowed. It became a defacto Handgun Ban, just by the passage of time. Handgun owners moved out of that cesspool - like me and my bride did way back when - or they passed away. Eventually, BINGO - no more 'Legal' Handguns in Chicago.

And if you were 'Grandfathered in', but then forgot to renew that yearly registration on time, they got you. You could NOT renew then, even if only a day late. You had to get that gun out of the city, MOVE OUT and take the gun with you, or turn it in to the Police to be destroyed.

So James and Sari, take your gun registration database and shove it up your 'word processor' - sideways.

27 posted on 10/26/2010 1:14:24 PM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Like Clark Kent & Superman we never see them in the same room at the same time.
Hmmm.....

;)


28 posted on 10/26/2010 2:07:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I understand what was the obvious point of the article, but I still come away from it realizing that the feds have way too much information and control over the sale and ownership of guns.

If someone can’t be trusted with their 2A rights, send them to prison for life. The problem is the courts, not the gun manufacturers, dealers, or gunowners. Don’t encroach on my rights because the juduciary is too wimpy to permanently remove these lowlifes from our midst, and that includes juveniles.


29 posted on 10/26/2010 2:23:45 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: chilltherats
If someone can’t be trusted with their 2A rights, send them to prison for life.

Who decides whether or not they can be trusted?

30 posted on 10/26/2010 2:45:10 PM PDT by SeeSac
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To: andy58-in-nh

EPA would be first to go on my list, followed by BATFE (&TTB), then education, then energy, then labor and then HHS. Treasury, commerce, interior, justice, homldsec, FEC and all the various commissions and sub-departments they include would be revamped, meaning many things eliminated, some things combined, others separated out, and so on.

It’d be like rebuilding your pc from the ground up. Slim it way, way down, get rid of the useless and/or unnecessary and/or superfluous programs and files. Kill off the trojans and viruses. Get rid of the lies, spies and propagandists (adware and trackers). Then spend as little as absolutely needed (efficiency) to put on THE very best firewall (military and border patrol) and the fastest connection imaginable (free market) and go like hell!


31 posted on 10/26/2010 3:02:27 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: SeeSac

They do. The first time they intentionally use a firearm or any other weapon in the commission of a crime, off they go to never-again land.


32 posted on 10/26/2010 3:05:02 PM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Still Thinking

DoG... ‘-)


33 posted on 10/26/2010 4:03:11 PM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!)
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