[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

fyi

[Spok]

If they want their science to have any credibility, they need to get the politics out. And building a consensus by intimidation and academic terrorism is not how to go about it.

[Hugin]

lf an airplane or financial model is flawed, it soon becomes apperent; the plane doesn’t fly or the company loses money. Climate models cannot be. In fact if their proponents get their way, the failure to happen only proves that their prescriptins worked.

[bereanway]

With climate models being increasingly used to provide policy-relevant information, how should we proceed in building public confidence in them?”

How about if climate propagandists were to quit omitting, falsefying, and destroying data that doesn’t support their predetermined conclusions.

[SuziQ]

Heck the Farmer’s Almanac has been doing a good job of long term weather prediction for years. Interestingly enough, they use SUNSPOT information in forming their predictions.

[Skepolitic]

“claims are being made that climate models have been falsified by failing to predict specific future events”

For example, where are all those devastating hurricanes that Al Gore warned about?

Katrina and Rita were in 2005. According to Al and the “climate science” jokers, we should have had a dozen Katrina-scale events since then. Heck, some of the alarmist “experts” predicted five hurricanes would wreck substantial damage on US coasts in 2006 alone.

Of course, there will be hurricanes in the future, but “climate science” has been a dismal failure in its predictions.

[RedMonqey]

“Verification and Validation for [Earth System Models] is hard because running the models is an expensive proposition (a fully coupled simulation run can take weeks to complete), and because there is rarely a “correct” result – expert

Translation: Transform an entire global economy based upon lousy science and Climate Change advocates' "gut feeling"

[RedMonqey]

“Verification and Validation for [Earth System Models] is hard because running the models is an expensive proposition (a fully coupled simulation run can take weeks to complete), and because there is rarely a “correct” result – expert

Translation: Transform an entire global economy based upon lousy science and Climate Change advocates' "gut feeling"

[Rocky]

So, where do we go from here? Expecting internal V&V from the climate modeling centers would require convincing resource managers that this is needed. Not easy, but in the U.S., the EPA could become a driver for this.

Well, that's not going to happen. At Obama's EPA, "the debate is over." Any expense to Americans is justified to avoid the impending disaster that Al Gore and his fellow believers have predicted. No need to verify and validate. It's time to spend trillions of dollars that we don't have, and put us all back in the stone age.