—————EFF defended him in court, and won.-—————
Fair enough. I can’t find enough progressive commentary on the case to make any kind of judgement on it.
——————This would be a direct parallel to people posting here.—————
However, this is where you go too far. Progressives *hate* freepers. EFF is loaded up as a leftist organization, there’s no logic in believing that they’d stand with us until they’ve proven that they don’t obey the strings attached. Can you demonstrate that?
———————They did, after they found out the machines were demonstrably insecure.-——————
I’m unable to verify that. I’ve found plenty regarding their involvement, but nothing that indicates that they were at the genesis of the problem’s discovery.
-—————COICA is the government doing corporations’ bidding at the expense of the people.———————
Hence many Soros groups opposing it. It’s viewed as a corporatist bill.
-————Net neutrality is the government doing the peoples’ (and some other corporations’) bidding at the expense of corporations.—————
With all that’s been learned about it, that simply isn’t true.
-————Then you have some allies who have been fighting against it since day one, and have defended many of those caught up in its web.——————
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
—————Hint: It isn’t the likes of the Heritage Foundation.—————
*shrug* Fair enough.
I don’t look at Heritage as an end/all be/all defender. Very few groups can do that. Even soros doesn’t try. Instead, he co-ops groups that he knows are co-optable.
————We’ve just agreed that the EFF supports many of your positions, defends many rights you apparently think are important.—————
No we haven’t. Take the COICA for example. You don’t have to search very far to find out that corporatist is exactly why progressives oppose it.
Hint: It isn’t the powergrab that bothers them. It’s the perception of who the real beneficiary of the power grab is that bothers them.
It isn’t like Net Neutrality is the government’s only assault on the internet. You have the kill switch bill and the internet identity ecosystem. Both of which I haven’t seen much of anything from the EFF on. In both of these cases, as well as in net neutrality, it is government and government alone who is empowered. Why would any progressive group oppose any of these? I suppose you could find a handful, but it certainly isn’t a majority.
—————That actually depends on the individual ACLU chapter-—————
Yes, that is true as a general rule. But it’s impossible to always be specific at all times.
The question is, is the ACLU a problem the majority of the time?
-————it isn’t one big organization.-—————
Yeah, they just seem that way because of leftist media.
They follow principle, not politics. Just as the ACLU defended a high school yearbook editor who used her assigned space in the yearbook to praise God, just as they defended that street preacher.
You want pro-business? The EFF was founded on it, when the Secret Service raided a business. After that they fought outdated encryption laws to allow US businesses to compete internationally. They fought for a company that made garage door openers.
But then it gets strange for you. Net neutrality benefits content companies and those who produce the content, like the RIAA/MPAA, yet the EFF has fought against them in court several times, including Sony over their root kit. Wait, they're all cozy with the FCC? Then why were they fighting the FCC over the broadcast flag? And the worst, they are supposedly against Verizon in net neutrality, right? So according to you they must just be against Verizon. But a few years back they defended Verizon against the RIAA.
Your one-dimensional black and white thinking just doesn't fit the facts. The EFF fights on the side of freedom and privacy, ultimately in OUR interests. I admit, I don't agree with all their positions, but you are simply immune to facts if you think they're a leftist organization fighting against conservatives simply on that ideological line.
[COICA] Hence many Soros groups opposing it. It’s viewed as a corporatist bill.
Do you oppose it? If so, you must be a Soros follower by your twisted logic. You see this in the simplistic view of corporations. The real poison, as even Ayn Rand mentioned, is in the incestuous relationship between corporations and government.
I don’t look at Heritage as an end/all be/all defender. Very few groups can do that.
Show me one conservative group defending even half of what the EFF defends on the side of freedom and privacy. Where s the conservative opposition to the DMCA? Where were the conservative constitutionalists when Congress was taking copyright far out of its constitutional mandate?
It isn’t like Net Neutrality is the government’s only assault on the internet.
You seem to think it is. No matter what the issue, no matter how unrelated to net neutrality, you try to paint it as a net neutrality issue. Yes, you have done this, several times. When caught, you try to claim the scope of net neutrality has expanded.