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(Tennessee) What if we had no gun permits?
Nashville City Paper ^ | 11/01/2010 | Nashville City Paper

Posted on 11/02/2010 2:55:59 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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To: RKBA Democrat
I live in a rural area where guns are a part of life. I agree that our permits system leaves a lot to be desired but I think if it were put to a vote it would easily pass to eliminate the permit process.

When I got my permit several years ago the State Trooper that did my fingerprints got angry. I thought he was angry because I was getting a permit. He said “this infuriates me!” I asked him if he thought citizens shouldn't be allowed to carry and he said “quite the opposite. I don't think they should be required to go through this nonsense to carry because it's a Constitutional right”. A lot of Tennesseans feel the same way but at least we can carry and guns are not taboo here. A lot of law enforcement feels the same way as that State Trooper. I used to ride my horse in the mountains in the State Park and I always strapped a handgun to my saddle. The fact that I had it kept a car load of drunks from bothering me. Right after the drunks left a park officer pulled up and told me to be careful back there by myself. He saw the gun on my saddle and never said a word. He just smiled and told me to have a nice ride. LOL

I'm hoping that people of TN get out and vote today to boot out the politicians that oppose our gun freedoms. I plan to!

21 posted on 11/02/2010 5:28:39 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Wonder Warthog

Down here it is a bit simpler. Walk into a store, pick out the gun of your choice, give them your address.

Check, check and check. You are out the door in 10 minutes. Takes a couple of minutes more if you want to also get a deer tag.


22 posted on 11/02/2010 5:29:46 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I like the Arizona model.

Prefer some training requirements, as I have seen some scary new gun owners on the range. But with rights comes risks.

23 posted on 11/02/2010 5:32:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“Shall Issue” is a fair enough compromise. Knowing that a person can safely carry and maintain, and ultimately use a firearm is a minimum standard of safety where the public is concerned.


24 posted on 11/02/2010 5:37:17 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Puppage
Or Arizona, I want Open Carry.
25 posted on 11/02/2010 5:46:58 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Repeal ObamaCare")
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To: Outership
I think it is terrible to place a $500 “poll tax” on carrying a piece of private property.

I don't think there should be any permit. Just like AZ. If you can't get that, the $500 is only if you don't get some fundamental training. I grew up in a family with guns all over the place. I shot my first at at 6. I am an active shooter locally. Have you ever handed a gun to a first timer? I have. What's the first thing they do with it? Finger goes onto the trigger. What's the second? It ends up getting pointed at you...your feet, your arms, whatever. Maybe not leveled at your chest, but you're getting swept, it's a certainty. This is where I encourage people to get legal and proficiency training. If you don't want to bother? Pay more money, simple as that. If you're already a shooter, you've probably got certs anyway.

26 posted on 11/02/2010 5:51:31 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: BuffaloJack
That’s a lot of money. It would be enough to keep me from having a gun.

Fine, go to a hunter's Safety course. They're free in my State. You will get the basics on safe handling of a firearm. Then the cost is administrative only. You are ENCOURAGED to get training, but not required. If you are dead set against getting training go deliver some pizzas for a month to get the extra cash. The point is that people that have never held a gun _NEED_ someone to give them the basics. I feel it is important. If you don't want to, you're choice, pay more.

I'd prefer the AZ method. No government intrusion in our lives. That just isn't possible everywhere.

27 posted on 11/02/2010 5:55:17 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua

The right to bear arms, as described in the Constitution is unconditional.

What you think is ‘reasonable’ is irrelevant.


28 posted on 11/02/2010 5:56:12 AM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history.)
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To: domenad
“Shall Issue” allow speech is a fair enough compromise. Knowing that a person can safely carry speak and maintain, and ultimately use a firearm is a minimum standard of safety where the public is concerned.

How does that sound when applied to the 1st? Kinda stupid - RIGHTS should NEVER be compromised.

29 posted on 11/02/2010 6:03:31 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: IncPen
What you think is ‘reasonable’ is irrelevant.

Lack of reading comprehension today.

I prefer no government intrusion in our lives. I stated it in my original post, just like AZ, VT, AK.

That is not possible everywhere. If we must have the intrusion, then encourage people to get education. How you got "against the constitution" from my post is beyond me.

30 posted on 11/02/2010 6:18:25 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua

How would you like it if you had to pay for freedom of press, assembly, religion etc. Paying for your seconedment right is wrong, why would you think it is ok.


31 posted on 11/02/2010 6:25:23 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

VOTE YES on the hunting & fishing amendment! Don’t let the chip away at our gun rights!


32 posted on 11/02/2010 6:34:34 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: Ratman83
Paying for your seconedment right is wrong, why would you think it is ok.

Again, what part of "I prefer the AK, AZ, VT method? No restrictions." did you not get from my post?

My point was, if we're going to have permitting, which I'm against in the first place, but it's unavoidable in most states for the next 10+ years, then we need to encourage training. You encourage training by offering a significant discount for it.

Sheesh. Don't want to get some safe handling and legal training? Fine, pay more.

We do pay for freedom of Assembly, freedom of Religion and press. There are costs involved in each. There are permits and paperwork for all of the above. There are rules and regulations like the "lose your non profit status if you endorse a candidate" rules. I'm against all that as well. While we work back towards the original freedoms, we have to deal with the mess we have today, it's simply unavoidable.

33 posted on 11/02/2010 6:36:50 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.

[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785]


34 posted on 11/02/2010 6:40:20 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Malsua
but I don’t believe the 2nd amendment mentioned any training requirements

Actually the first part that says 'well regulated militia' applies there. Back then 'well regulated' when applied to an armed force meant they were properly equipped and trained. So at least in theory it could be read into the 2nd A that there is a training requirement.
35 posted on 11/02/2010 6:50:54 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Malsua

No paying for your right is wrong period, but you think it is OK. We should no have permitting it is wrong to pay for your right. If you think it is ok then have fun paying for any and all rights because that is where the libs want to take us.


36 posted on 11/02/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Malsua

“The cost of the permit is $500/5 years. If you pass a training course in laws and shooting proficiency then the cost is discounted to Administrative only. In this case $115.”

Why is the Administrative fee $115?

In South Dakota the fee is only $10 for a concealed carry permit.


37 posted on 11/02/2010 7:34:31 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent
Why is the Administrative fee $115?

Probably because some liberal figured it was a way to fleece the public. My Florida carry permit was $117 for 7 years, and my Virginia carry permit was $100/5. There probably is some cost above $10 and below $115 that represents the true cost.

38 posted on 11/02/2010 7:56:27 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Malsua
If we must have the intrusion

Fail.

39 posted on 11/02/2010 8:08:05 AM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
But Smith points to data from the Violence Policy Center, which recently released a report showing more than 200 murders committed by carry permit holders between 2007 and 2010.

Would any one else like to bet that the vast majority of those 200 were justifiable homicides?

40 posted on 11/02/2010 8:10:48 AM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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