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Tea Party pushes GOP to acknowledge its clout (Get out of the way RINOs!)
ny times ^ | 11/4/2010 | Carl Hulse and David M. Herszenhorn

Posted on 11/05/2010 4:47:26 AM PDT by tobyhill

The incoming leadership of the new House Republican majority hardly had a chance to relish its dismantling of the Democrats before the Tea Party came calling in the form of Representative Michele Bachmann.

Ms. Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican and Tea Party heroine often seen exhorting conservative activists at rallies and on cable television, announced that she intended to seek the No. 4 position among House Republicans.

She said she could provide the viewpoint of a constitutional conservative, one she evidently sees lacking in Representatives John A. Boehner of Ohio, Eric Cantor of Virginia and Kevin McCarthy of California — the three likely leaders.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; gop; influence; teaparty

1 posted on 11/05/2010 4:47:31 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Ha!! The Tea Party eloped with American Conservatism... time for the GOP to face facts.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 4:55:50 AM PDT by SMARTY ("..discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you")
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To: tobyhill


3 posted on 11/05/2010 4:56:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: tobyhill


4 posted on 11/05/2010 4:58:01 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Diogenesis
“Mr. Walden predicted that House Republicans would ultimately be able to band together.”

“'Gentlemen, we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately" /Ben Franklin, 1776

Words to the wise.

5 posted on 11/05/2010 5:01:31 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: tobyhill
The tea party has within its grasp the power to push for instant runoff elections for public offices, all across the land, i.e. to make it legal and feasible to ever vote for a third party candidate, i.e. to break the duopoly of power of the demopublican party. That is, to set the stage for a brilliant day in which the choice on ballots is tea vs republican, and the demoKKKrat party is an ugly memory.

This should be part and parcel of a Voters Bill of Rights which we desperately need. To me at least such a bill would look more or less as follows:

The first item of such a bill HAS TO BE runoff elections or instant runoff elections for all public offices. Nobody should ever fear to vote his first choice, at least on a first ballot, and nobody should ever hold any public office with less than 50% of the vote.

There should also be a None-Of-Above choice on all ballots for public office and if that choice ever wins, then the other candidates should be barred for life from holding any public office and the parties sponsoring them should be barred for at least ten years from sponsoring candidates for that particular office. The penalty for running dead wood for public offices should be severe.

Another item on such a voters' bill of rights should be something which would eliminate voting fraud for all time and if that means getting rid of the secret ballot or at least limiting it somehow or other, so be it, we're paying too high a price for it. Somehow or other it has to be possible to check up on votes when there are questions or evidence of fraud.

There should be a provision that when a president is impeached and removed, his VP goes out the door with him and the office is either vacant until the next election or an emergency election is held to fill the office for the remainder of the current term. Granted removing a president should be difficult but it should not be impossible and if we couldn't remove Slick, we'd not have been able to remove Hitler or Nero either.

What happened in 98/99 was that Trent Lott simply refused to hand the presidency over to Algor with a year to go on Slick's second term, for obvious reasons. The situation should not be possible.

A person should need to be a US citizen for 18 years before voting in a US election. It should not be possible for a rogue political party to rule our land by simply importing large voting blocks for itself.

There should also be some mechanism to prevent utterly unqualified people from holding high offices. Certainly a candidate for president or vice president, or for US Senator or member of the House of Representatives should need to obtain the same basic and simple secret level security clearance which anybody would need to be a guard at the gate of any military base in our land. That isn't asking for much but it would have spared us from the last two democrat presidents.

There are a few other things you'd want but that's the main gist of it. There is also a question as to the extent the people should be voting on issues directly since we now have the technology to allow that while the founding fathers did not. You could get some of these evil social issues settled once and for all and out of politics, and you could limit the scope for corruption and bribery by letting the people themselves settle at least some kinds of issues.

6 posted on 11/05/2010 5:14:19 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: tobyhill

Is there a final tally of how Tea Party candidates did—House, Senate, state legislatures, governors? I saw one on NBC or CBS and I thought the way they calculated them was...curious. Can’t recall offhand why, but would be interested in seeing the numbers if anyone can post them.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 5:27:11 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: SMARTY
The Tea Party eloped with American Conservatism... time for the GOP to face facts.

I like to imagine Ronaldus Magnus smiling down on us from heaven noting that his his faith was well founded; a free people stood up in their hour of peril and reversed the spin of the planet so that the sun would rise rather than set.

8 posted on 11/05/2010 5:39:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: tobyhill

GO MICHELE!!!!!


9 posted on 11/05/2010 5:43:08 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: wendy1946
Trent Lott simply refused to hand the presidency over to Algor

Do you know how much political trading rights you get when you catch the other guy in a really bad act. Why impeach him when you can choke him for political favors and get him to support your pork at taxpayer expense.

10 posted on 11/05/2010 5:43:51 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Plagiarizing myself from earlier:

The system functioned as it was designed to function. Americans did what they had a right (duty) to do, within the Constitutional blueprint.

The Founding Fathers made a course available to American citizens.

Once voters recognize that INTERVENTION is needed to correct for the radical and dangerous behavior of leaders who FORGET or IGNORE the well-being and best interest of ALL Americans…over and above all else, then they may/must preempt their leaders!


11 posted on 11/05/2010 5:51:03 AM PDT by SMARTY ("..discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you")
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To: tobyhill

Bachmann is a Republican member of the House, and has as much right to run for a leadership position as anyone else. The New York Times could care less about Republican leadership in the House. They’re down on their knees praying for conflict among Republicans.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: tobyhill
I could stand replacing Rove with Russo.
13 posted on 11/05/2010 6:51:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: popdonnelly

“They’re down on their knees praying for conflict among Republicans.”

Leftist’s such as that which reside at the NYT don’t have faith in prayer, because they haven’t any faith. They are not praying for conflict, they are attempting to jumpstart it.

“It’s the RINO’s stupid” should be our mantra. It has started, and it has been around, but we really need to emphasize the necessity to prioritize the exorcisism of the RINO’s from the Republican Party.

We will see more and more of this “infighting” as the RINO’s fight to keep their positions of power within the GOP.

It’s only good to prove the point they exist as suspected/known for so long, and that they are Leftists of the highest order, but it is a negative to have the infighting constantly, and gleefully displayed above the fold by the MSM.


14 posted on 11/05/2010 6:54:01 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: wendy1946
As one who regularly offers extensive prescriptions to the forum discourse, I don't want to quash your efforts to present thoughtful ideas. However...

First, your "Voters Bill of Rights" is wildly unconstitutional. It presupposes Federal powers that government should never have. The more you lean on "higher authority" the more power is alienated from the people.

As to runoff elections, they change the dynamic away from the "hard choice" that actually gives conservatives a better chance of winning.

If NOTA wins the candidates are barred for life? That's just nuts. This is the kind of authoritarian idea that scares people about conservatism, and rightly so.

Now, as to eliminating the secret ballot, one need only consider what the Disclose Act is going to do to unions to understand what a psychotic idea that is in a time when a computer can check anyone's vote when considering a person for a job. So, despite my vain attempt to be polite here...

You are a dangerous nutcase. There are plenty of ways to eliminate voter fraud without going that far.

I'll actually go with you on removing the VP as well as the President, with the proviso that the VP stands in office until an election can be completed. A dangerous world requires an elected CIC in office at all times.

A person should need to be a US citizen for 18 years before voting in a US election.

This precludes a reason for people to want to become Americans. It is against everything this country stands for. Tossing the SCOTUS rulings throwing out local minimum residency requirements is sufficient. That allows enough variation that natural law competition among states and towns seeking growth and investment would be sufficient to mitigate their behavior.

As to your "mechanism to prevent utterly unqualified people from holding high offices," I'd like to see you try to come up with a list of qualifications that won't get you hung as a tyrant. Really, this set of ideas is so bad that I suggest you go back to reading the history of the Founding to understand why this country was constituted as it was. They are anti-American.

15 posted on 11/05/2010 7:13:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: rockinqsranch
“It’s the RINO’s stupid” should be our mantra. It has started, and it has been around, but we really need to emphasize the necessity to prioritize the exorcisism of the RINO’s from the Republican Party.

No. Getting them out of leadership positions is sufficient.

16 posted on 11/05/2010 7:14:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: wendy1946

No, I don’t nor ever would support instant runoffs.


17 posted on 11/05/2010 7:36:06 AM PDT by JSDude1 (http://novemberspeaks.com/)
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To: JSDude1

Instant or not, we have to have some sort of runoffs for all public offices. We need to eliminate the possibility of the Al Frankens of the world holding public offices with 40% of the vote.


18 posted on 11/05/2010 8:34:25 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Salamander

Depends. If banding together means the same-ole, same-ole republican establishment crap of the last 8yrs. I hope the new tea party gang go rogue and say screw you to the liberals in the democrat and republican party.


19 posted on 11/05/2010 8:38:49 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Carry_Okie

The system is basically broken as we speak. The suggestions I’m making are a minimal set needed; the only other thing which would fix anything would be a second civil war.


20 posted on 11/05/2010 8:40:38 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: sarge83

I meant as it as “get on board with ~us~ or else”.

In 2 years, the RINO remnants can be just as easily removed....:)


21 posted on 11/05/2010 8:42:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: wendy1946

Frankly I don’t care if someone wins on a plurality rather than an outright majority, it’s the FRAUD that I care about.

And that is how Franken won.


22 posted on 11/05/2010 9:20:39 AM PDT by JSDude1 (http://novemberspeaks.com/)
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To: Carry_Okie

“No. Getting them out of leadership positions is sufficient.”

You’re wrong. What good is a RINO in any position of representation in our government? The answer, so you don’t have to is NONE. You seem to be looking at numbers of life forms with an “R” attached filling seats. That’s bullshit.

Every member of Congress that represents us should be an effective, concerned, American participant in the system.

NO RINO is concerned about anything but themselves, go along to get along, filling the seat for the perks, and maybe, just maybe the Leftist agenda of their masters.

All RINO’s must go. Congress isn’t a Hot Dog. NO fillers needed. There isn’t anything more to say as far as I’m concerned.

Thanks for your opinion.


23 posted on 11/05/2010 10:50:07 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
You’re wrong. What good is a RINO in any position of representation in our government?

Um, I think you misunderstand me completely. "Leadership positions" include representatives of government. They can belong to the Party and vote for conservatives or get out as they please, but the clinking glass parties are over. From the moment GHWB took office, they have almost ruined the GOP completely, and everything Reagan accomplished with it.

Historically however, the RINOs have a point. Republicans have always been a corporate mercantilist party from the time the Whigs devolved. They fell all over themselves in the 19th Century handing out pork to the very railroads, timber companies, and banking aristocracy that threatens us today, having since transplanted their interests overseas. THAT is how entrenched they are, and we should never underestimate that. Limited government conservatism as we know it is relatively new, and Reagan an aberration. What the Democrats call a throwback is in fact wholly new and innovative.

24 posted on 11/05/2010 11:12:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: wendy1946; Jim Robinson

We need an official vote fraud remedy brainstorm thread. I run across so many great ideas, we need a place to paste them to as we find them.


25 posted on 11/05/2010 11:21:01 AM PDT by txhurl (If we can shake Congress like a can of pennies, we can uproot voter fraud like a D-9.)
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To: Carry_Okie

This is what I said: “It’s the RINO’s stupid” should be our mantra. It has started, and it has been around, but we really need to emphasize the necessity to prioritize the exorcism of the RINO’s from the Republican Party.”

“We will see more and more of this “infighting” as the RINO’s fight to keep their positions of power within the GOP.”

This is what you said: “No. Getting them out of leadership positions is sufficient.”

This is what I said: “Every member of Congress that represents us should be an effective, concerned, American participant in the system.”

“NO RINO is concerned about anything but themselves, go along to get along, filling the seat for the perks, and maybe, just maybe the Leftist agenda of their masters.

“All RINO’s must go. Congress isn’t a Hot Dog. NO fillers needed.”

Now you are claiming I misunderstood you. You should be a politician.


26 posted on 11/05/2010 11:39:07 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: txhurl; Jim Robinson

Txhurl is talking about my post 6 above. Of the suggestions I make the one I’m least sure of is what exactly to do about democrat vote manufacturing, but I’m equally convinced we have to do SOMETHING, i.e. that we can’t just to on letting those people steal elections.


27 posted on 11/05/2010 5:37:22 PM PDT by wendy1946
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