Posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:53 PM PDT by chatter4
1. Who wants him to be president?
2. He is for amnesty.
Natural born citizen..the parents must be US Citizens and their children are born in the US. obama does not meet those qualifications. Have no idea the citizenship status of Mr. Rubio.
We cannot make citizens into natural born citizens just because we like them.
Do not diminish Mr. Vattel..his book is listed in the Constitution. Law of Nations.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Besides what does that long and boring tirade have to do with the subject of this thread?
Amen!
I think their question has to do with Article 1, section 2.
Founder and Historian David Ramsay defines Natural Born Citizen in 1789
As I said earlier in this thread, his parents came in 1959. The US made it very easy for Cuban exiles to become citizens. I have read that of those who came to the US before 1980 9 out of 10 are US citizens.
Ummm. Yeah. There are. Like say, the 14th Amendment. So that passage of French Law that Birthers are so enamored of, is not the be all, and end all, of the question "just what is a natural born citizen, of the United States, since the adoption of the 14th Amendment." And if French law doesn't save Birtherism, then it has to rely on proving was born in Kenya.
go back to DU...
Interesting response. I guess anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is immediately branded as a DUmmie. I see your signup date is 2000. It may interest you to learn that I have been on this board since the Clinton years. I not only know what 'hugh' and 'series' mean, but I was there on the original thread when those mistakes were made. I never felt the need to post until a few weeks ago so I never signed up, but that's not really any of your business. Keep your insults to yourself.
You may not like to hear the truth, but there are at least 4 Supreme Court cases that have clarified what was meant by the term "natural born citizen." Maybe you should educate yourself on the facts before arbitrarily DUmping on someone else. And yes, this same definition applies to the current fraud in the WH. Unfortunately, we have a corrupt Democrat Party, a corrupt press, and a corrupt judiciary who have managed to cover up for him for the past two years. Marco Rubio is fine man and a patriotic American. He will make a great Senator, but if his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth, he is just as inelible to hold the office of President as Obama.
Ummm. Yeah. There are. Like say, the 14th Amendment. So that passage of French Law that Birthers are so enamored of, is not the be all, and end all, of the question "just what is a natural born citizen, of the United States, since the adoption of the 14th Amendment." And if French law doesn't save Birtherism, then it has to rely on proving was born in Kenya.First, you may want to consider dropping your use of the perjorative insults and innuendo and apologize to the readers. It makes you look ignorant and destroys the credibility of anything further you may have to say. Second, your comments about "passage of French Law" and the adoption of the 14th Amendment appear to ba an unintelligible muddled mish mash of nonsense. Your usage of the terminology suggests you don't have a clue about the origins or meanings of the very topics you are commenting upon. You are welcome to try again and clarify your intended meanings, but you would do well to demonstrate some respect for the laws and the peeople who would defend and protect those laws and legal principles with honesty and sincerity.
Its called sarcasm. Its the lowest form of humor, but apparently it still goes over your head. You might consider placing your computer on a stand up desk.
Donald Rumsfeld used to use one.
So, no apology, but given my own screen name, I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks to the effect that your views are derived from inebriation :)
Bushmills, Jameson or something more exotic?
It has to do with foreign diplomats living/serving in the United States. Diplomats are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US so any of their children who are born in the US are not US citizens by virtue of being born here.
The writers and delegates may have wanted to run for President, but that is not the primary reason for the grandfather clause. The primary reason is that NO ONE could meet the natural born citizen criteria at the time of the country's founding. No one who was a citizen at the time of our founding could claim that, on the day of his birth, his parents were US citizens.
Read more. Team Soetoro has spent millions to foster that idea. Seems to have worked.
Found it read into the Congrssional Record pertaining to George Romney, who was not native born, and hence not eligible.
Wisconsin Cheese Day is also read into the Congressional Record. Has nothing to do with the Constitition.
That, folks, is the long and the short of it.
In fact, the COTUS lists the qualifications for federal elected office quite specifically. The higher the office, the greater the qualification required. Any sort of citizenship, Native, Naturalized, etc. when combined with specific residency requirements, qualifies any citizen for any office, save the Presidency and Vice Presidency.
The Presidency requires one to be a "Natural Born Citizen." So what is that?
Simple, It is what Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., with a non-citizen father, cannot possibly be.
In fact, we do not know whether or not this is his legal name. We do know that in his Illinois Bar Application, he does not admit to having been known as Barry Soetoro, in addition to not acknowledging drug use, or traffic violations. We also know that he is no longer a member of the Illinois Bar.
Falsus in uno. Falsus in toto.
In order to understand the intent of the framers when they put the “Natural Born Citizen” requirement into the Constitution, you need to understand their frame of reference...what they read, what they believed in and how they thought on such issues. It’s crystal clear that the founders and framers read and relied upon Vattel’s work. Vattel was the only known source that was available to them that defined Les naturels (or natural) born citizens. That definition is born in country, to citizen parents. The reason the framers changed the requirement from “citizen” to “natural born” citizen had to due to preventing (as much as they could) foreign influence upon the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. (See Jay’s letter). If one is born with foreign citizenship, one is born with foreign influence (at a minimum).
So then, based on your interpretation, none of the first presidents were legitimate, right?
Of course they were legitimate. And, of course they knew they were not Natural Born Citizens. That's precisely why they "grandfathered" themselves "past" the NBC requirement.
"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"They were all "citizens" at the time the Constitution was adopted.
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