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To: schaef21
What better arguments?

There are only two ways we could have gotten here.

1. We were created.

2. All of existence came into being from nothing and with no cause (in violation of the Law of Causality).

Matter and energy started it all with the Big Bang. (In violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics and the Law of the Conservation of Matter)

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Yeah.... we creationists are a bunch of morons.

You say "there are only two ways..." How do you know this? You don't. And you're forgetting the possibility that perhaps the universe has always been -- a possibility you implicitly accept by assuming the eternal existence of an god.

Second, there is no "Law of Causality" in science.

Third, matter is not always conserved. The atom bomb is the technological product of that understanding.

How could you be ignorant of these things? I think you need to study some more.

19 posted on 11/16/2010 12:20:23 PM PST by GeorgeSaden
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To: GeorgeSaden

...”You say “there are only two ways...” How do you know this? You don’t. And you’re forgetting the possibility that perhaps the universe has always been — a possibility you implicitly accept by assuming the eternal existence of an god.”...

Science (which it seems is your god) accepts the fact that there was a beginning. If the Universe was eternal all available energy would have been used and the Universe would have already suffered heat death (2nd Law). I do accept the implicitely that God is eternal.... he exists outside of time..... that’s one of the things that makes Him Supernatural.

You forgot a fourth possibility.... matter and energy do not exist. For that you will also have to dive into the realm of philosophy, which is what Evolutionary Theory really is.

When you get right down to it, there are only two real possibilities.... the ones I pointed out.

Science cannot prove Spontaneous Generation either... yet it’s in the textbooks. Is it then Science or Philosophy?

Here’s how it works.... You start by saying “Evolution is true, now let’s look at the evidence without straying from the natural.” What you wind up with is evolutionary philosophy.

Evolution (specifically the macro variety) cannot be proven either..... in fact the fossil record still, when looked at critically, seems to refute it quite soundly. Darwin thought that eventually the fossils would be found.... they haven’t. Yet it is taught in Science class as fact.

Haeckel’s embryos..... proven to be fraudulent long ago are still in the textbooks.... why? Could it be that they’ve got nothing else?

Bill Gates once said that “Human DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” Can a computer program itself? What makes you think that DNA can?

“How could you be ignorant of these things? I think you need to study some more.”

I think you need to study some more as well. When it comes to Science, the Bible is way ahead of you. A few examples, there are many more, of things the Bible described thousands of years before Science got around to discovering:

The Hydrological Cycle
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
Pathways in the seas
Stars too numerous to count
The expanding Universe

While you’re at it, check out Romans 1:20. It describes you pretty well.


21 posted on 11/16/2010 1:58:26 PM PST by schaef21
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To: GeorgeSaden

Hey George -

One other thing I should have mentioned.

Those things that I told you about that were written in the Bible thousands of years before science discovered them.....
They had to have been written by those “Ignorant Nomads” that you mentioned in another post.


24 posted on 11/17/2010 1:52:35 PM PST by schaef21
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