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To: Sopater; GeorgeSaden; big black dog; ontap; schaef21; Hostage; PATRIOT1876
Sopater: "Better propoganda and more intensive indoctrination is paying off."

The last time I checked in on an Evolution-vs.-ID/Creationism thread, the defenders of science seemed to me holding their own, doing quite well, and putting ID/Creationists on the run.

This time poor GeorgeSaden is holding down the fort all by himself -- with Indians attacking from all sides. ;-)
And the ID/Creationists arguments seem to be rather well thought out and organized, with long lists of reasons why science is really bunk, and their religion is really science.

Yes, indeedy it is... </sarc>

Let me simply point out (again), that: by definition Evolution is science -- that is to say, a natural explanation for the natural world -- while ID/Creationism is not.

Evolution is based on literal mountains of evidence, and now volumes of DNA analyses, accumulated by scientists over centuries.
ID/Creationism is based on, well, the Bible and alleged "holes" in evolution theory.

But those "holes" are often mis-characterized by ID/Creationists, and in no case point directly to an "Intelligent Designer."

Indeed, there is no direct physical evidence for ID/Creationism.
That's why it's not science, among other reasons.

So here's the bottom line: I have no doubt that God created the Universe, and everything in it.
As to how He did it, science has natural explanations, including evolution.
And, whether God, or some other "Intelligent Designer" intervened directly to influence certain key developments (the eyeball is often cited), remains a scientific possibility -- however improbable and currently unsupported by any physical evidence.

But let me suggest something to our religiously oriented thinkers here: while ID/Creationism remains scientifically possible (if evidence were ever found to support it), it will always be theologically impossible!

How can that be, you ask?
Because, for God to intervene in His own creation (the Universe) to miraculously force natural events on the tracks He intended, that would imply the natural Universe was not from the beginning, God's perfect creation -- and that would suggest God Himself is less than perfect.

Well, I'd say this is not only theologically impossible, but contradicted by the Bible which tells us, over and over, that God considers His creation "good."

Please notice I'm talking about the natural world, and not human beings, who are acknowledged by all to be necessarily far from perfect, indeed natural born sinners in constant need of God's guidance and intervention.

And these are just the kinds of things taught in religion-oriented classes.
But they are not science.

27 posted on 12/02/2010 9:16:37 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
Evolution is science -- that is to say, a natural explanation for the natural world

Evolution precisely, is the theory that random mutations through natural selection will produce viable new types of creatures, an idea that has never been remotely demonstrated (look at what they've done to those fruit flies and all they've produced was some really effed up fruit flies).

But more important, how is it possible to falsify this theory. If you can't, then it doesn't meet the modern definition of science.

28 posted on 12/02/2010 10:35:16 AM PST by big black dog
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To: BroJoeK

God and I would disagree


29 posted on 12/02/2010 12:08:53 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: BroJoeK

God and actually scientists that know the truth would disagree


30 posted on 12/02/2010 12:09:33 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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