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To: big black dog
big black dog: "Everybody accepts the idea of speciation. Speciation is not evolution."

Any descent with modification, no matter how small the modification, which gets effected by natural selection is evolution -- by definition.

And all known evolutionary changes without exception are minutely small.
It's only the accumulation of untold minor changes over millions of generations that give the appearance of major changes effecting species, genera, families and orders.

big black dog: "There is no evidence that the progressive branching of life that evolution espouses could ever occur."

The evidence is everywhere, for anyone willing to see it.
And scientifically, there is no evidence suggesting that millions of small changes cannot add up to major changes in species, genera, families, orders, etc.

big black dog: "The so called fossil record is meaningless."

Only to those who wish to deny it.
In fact many thousands of fossils have been scientifically excavated over the past hundred years, and none has ever been found where it could not possibly be -- for example, dinosaurs and mastodons together in original deposits.

So within the limits of what human science can determine, the fossil record is entirely consistent, and just as important, it is totally corroborated by DNA analyses of the relationships of all the various branches on the evolutionary "tree of life."

41 posted on 12/02/2010 4:09:00 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
Any descent with modification, no matter how small the modification, which gets effected by natural selection is evolution -- by definition.

Only if you want to claim the science of genetics (which everyone accepts) is the same as the notion of "goo to you via the zoo."

It's only the accumulation of untold minor changes over millions of generations that give the appearance of major changes effecting species, genera, families and orders.

Folks have been messin with fruit flies for what amounts to millions of human generations and have never been able to produce anything other than a messed up fruit fly.

"There is no evidence that the progressive branching of life that evolution espouses could ever occur."

The evidence is everywhere, for anyone willing to see it.

Really? Should I go out in my backyard and start looking for transitional fossils.

And scientifically, there is no evidence suggesting that millions of small changes cannot add up to major changes in species, genera, families, orders, etc.

So now science is defined as if you can't disprove it, then that is affirmative evidence something is true?

In fact many thousands of fossils have been scientifically excavated over the past hundred years, and none has ever been found where it could not possibly be

Actually it has happened numerous times and been rationalized away.

42 posted on 12/02/2010 5:03:37 PM PST by big black dog
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