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To: kcvl; antiRepublicrat; Pontiac; Jim Robinson

Thanks, kcvl, for all the posts, there’s alot of information there.

All but the willfully blind should see EFF as a hodgepodge of far left individuals and interest groups.

I find it just about inconcievable to believe they would in any way be interested in protecting liberty for all.

And I would think that anything George Soros is supporting is meant to at some point to harm America.


24 posted on 11/17/2010 10:18:22 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I totally agree!


25 posted on 11/17/2010 10:27:50 AM PST by kcvl
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To: smoothsailing; kcvl; Pontiac; Jim Robinson
All but the willfully blind should see EFF as a hodgepodge of far left individuals and interest groups.

It's a rights organization founded in 1990 by famous geeks who realized the government was clueless about computers, and so were our laws. Note this thread is about them defending people against copyright abuse. Does that not qualify as liberty for all? They would have probably helped FR if they had been asked. I would be seriously disappointed if they didn't.

Your guilt by association can't diminsh the good work they've done for electronic privacy, free speech and fair use (which FR heavily depends on). They've successfully protected journalists against Apple, defended academic research, defended the freedom to publish damaging evidence about Diebold's voting machines, defended a developer against malicious corporate-driven prosecution, helped overturn damaging business method patents, fought against software licenses that attempt to nullify your rights under copyright law and the Constitution, and fought various abuses of the DMCA. They unsuccessfully tried to stop the blatantly unconstitutional expansion of copyright terms in the late 90s and challenge the constitutionality of the anticircumvention portion of the DMCA.

Not that I agree with them on everything though. IMHO they went too far defending file sharing that was blatant copyright infringement.

The ONLY reason the EFF is now under attack as a leftist organization is because of their support for net neutrality. The issue of them being left/right never appeared until that, in an effort to equate them with telco-created astroturf organizations. Net neutrality is in essence non-partisan, not left/right, not Republican/Democrat. It is about retaining the openness of the Internet so that sites like FR can operate without having to pay off all the individual consumer ISPs.

Soros has given money to Grameen Bank, which makes microloans for small businesses so people can get out of poverty using capitalism instead of government grants. He funded dissident movements in the Soviet Bloc. Were those meant to harm America? He also supports -- OMG -- the Library of Congress! Most of what he does is bad, otherwise think of a stopped clock.

You have to look at the ACTIONS of each organization, and this one was around LONG before Soros got into US politics, fighting for the rights of all Americans.

27 posted on 11/17/2010 11:40:52 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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