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How to Kill the Meth Monster
nytimes.com ^ | ROB BOVETT | ROB BOVETT

Posted on 11/16/2010 9:00:05 PM PST by dr_who

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To: kbennkc

You mean they all become residents of Wisconsin? On balance, that may not be such a bad thing if it eventually robs Minn, Ill, and Mich of congressional districts.


61 posted on 11/16/2010 10:33:48 PM PST by dr_who
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To: kbennkc
I know you hate to be lied to.

I think that people lie to themselves more often than they lie to others. Either way, skepticism helps.
62 posted on 11/16/2010 10:36:19 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Reddy
The only way to stop the production of meth is to make psuedoephedrine products available only through prescription again.

This whole argument about the availability of pseudoephdrine is quite stupid. The synthesis of Meth-Amphetamine is quite simple if you have the pseudoephdrine and somewhat more complex if you do not. At one time in our Organic Chem classes the synthesis was taught and pseudoephdrine was not part of the synthesis.

63 posted on 11/16/2010 10:36:26 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: dr_who
Agreed. We could do a whole lot worse than 57 States exactly like Wisconsin.
64 posted on 11/16/2010 10:37:43 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: ansel12

You mean if you go to lp.org and similar sites you’ll find ALL THAT STUFF? Wow!


65 posted on 11/16/2010 10:38:05 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

Just think how wonderful if drugs were legal
66 posted on 11/16/2010 10:39:39 PM PST by Cedar
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To: WalterSobchak2012
The interesting irony is that the meth problem put illegal immigrants in very high demand, since employers were terrified of hiring white Americans since odds were pretty good they would be meth addicts.

That sounds like stories I've heard of employers scared of hiring black people because they are (insert any other illegal drug here) addicts, hispanics because they are drug sellers (or illegal aliens).
67 posted on 11/16/2010 10:42:44 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

In Cave Junction, Oregon, late one night, one cashier closed her till, went to the pharmacy, and came back with an armload of psuedoephedrine (Sudafed). Her friendly co-worker took her money, and checked her out.

Now what was that about keeping Sudafed out of the hands of Meth Producers?


68 posted on 11/16/2010 10:43:58 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bama thought he'd find "common ground" on 0bamaCare because of ROMNEYCARE!)
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To: Cedar

Is that from impurities or pure meth?


69 posted on 11/16/2010 10:44:38 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: dr_who

In nice words, but yes.


70 posted on 11/16/2010 10:44:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: dr_who

No offense, but Reason mag is stupid. They are unrealistic babies, and they never take into account the dark side of man in any of their arguments. In the last month alone their writers have advocated the end of drunk driving laws, legalizing cocaine, and allowing felons to vote.


71 posted on 11/16/2010 10:45:05 PM PST by Paddy Irish
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To: dagogo redux
Of course, a civilized society such as ours will never take the steps needed to stop this. A bit of guts and gumption are all it would take, but they are in short supply and out of vogue.

See post 59. Any more suggestions?
72 posted on 11/16/2010 10:45:33 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

Waste the meth pushers. It’s either them or us. People who sell poison need to be hanged....after a fair trial of course.


73 posted on 11/16/2010 10:46:51 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dr_who

And if you were an employer in New York in 1986 at the height of the crack epidemic would such a fear be entirely unfounded?


74 posted on 11/16/2010 10:47:25 PM PST by WalterSobchak2012
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To: Paddy Irish

That’s libertarianism for you. Good in some respects but a demented philosophy when taken as a whole. Strictly for English major type intellectuals who grew up in nice neighborhoods. No one in the 3rd world is libertarian. It can only survive in a hothouse


75 posted on 11/16/2010 10:50:58 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: coloradan

Not sure it matters.


76 posted on 11/16/2010 10:51:46 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Paddy Irish

I’m not too keen about allowing felons to vote (except for cases where the criminal justice system was used to disenfranchise blacks in the Jim Crow era, etc). OTOH, I think drunk driving laws are often being used not to protect people but to enrich trial lawyers. That might depend on the state you live in, which takes us back to the blessings of federalism. There is a middle ground, but I don’t think you should simply write Reason off as “stupid”.


77 posted on 11/16/2010 10:53:55 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dennisw
No one in the 3rd world is libertarian.

Really? How do you know? If they're all "authoritarians" (as in Idi Amin, Mugabe, blah), is that a good thing?
78 posted on 11/16/2010 10:56:49 PM PST by dr_who
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To: WalterSobchak2012

No, but it might be more of a problem if employment law and criminal law puts employers in a bind more so than actual usage of the drug by the employee.


79 posted on 11/16/2010 11:02:11 PM PST by dr_who
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To: OrangeHoof

I love how everyone is fine with a Govt. ban or restriction on something when it doesn’t affect them.

Big enormous taxes raise the price of cigarettes - No problem, they don’t smoke.

Treated like a suspected drug dealer when you buy cold or asthma medicine - No problem, they don’t need or buy those items.

What happens when Big Daddy Govt. regulates something they do use? Maybe Motrin, or Tylenol, or Soda Pop. Their heads will explode.

Even if these ephedrine buying restrictions don’t bother some, the slippery slope of Govt. intrusion into our lives should.

When you give the Govt. wiggle room to treat you like children, they will keep wiggling till they have total control.


80 posted on 11/16/2010 11:09:33 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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