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States should make President eligibility laws based on the Law of Nations.
The Law of Nations ^ | 1797 | E. Vattel

Posted on 11/19/2010 2:03:36 PM PST by bushpilot1

Several Chief Justices of the US Supreme Court have stated the Law of Nations (Vattel's) is "law of the land" is "imposed on the US" is "municipal law" is "domestic law".

A Founder,signer of the Declaration of Independence, Chief Justice McKean ruled the Law of Nations is municipal law in Pennsalvannia.

The Law of Nations played a vital role in our countrys founding, there is no need for me link the quotes of the Founders, the Judges and Historians on this thread. The information is available in this forum.

This is my suggestion..the state legislatures pass into law all presidential candiates sine qua non to the Law of Nations.

The Constitution states only a natural born citizen can become president. Vattels Law of Nations tells us what a natural born citizen is: Born from two citizen parents.

Suggest the 1797 edition. State legislatures lets get to work.

If Holder sues he will lose. The Law of Nations is Law.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; citizen; naturalborncitizen
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"Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

If our country is to survive..we must adhere to this rule.

1 posted on 11/19/2010 2:03:40 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

The United States of America needs to follow our own Constitution. Period.


2 posted on 11/19/2010 2:04:58 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: bushpilot1
Those would be the treasonous justices who apparently lied when they took the oath of office to persevere, protect, and defend the Constitution of the U.S.

They simply should be impeached.

3 posted on 11/19/2010 2:08:43 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Arthur McGowan; Beckwith; bgill; bitt; butterdezillion; bvw; conservativegramma; Danae; dennisw; ...

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4 posted on 11/19/2010 2:18:52 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Jim 0216

Anyone who has acted against the Constitution these past two years (I’m being generous) should be exported. If the Constitution is not good for them, then they shouldn’t be in this Country.


5 posted on 11/19/2010 2:23:20 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: bushpilot1

That IS the standard already!


6 posted on 11/19/2010 2:26:36 PM PST by devistate one four (Read the candidate b 4 voting! Kimber CDP II .45 OOHRAH! TET68)
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To: TommyDale

The Congress, Judges and the illegal president are not following the Constitution.

Section 8. Punish offenses against the Law of Nations.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 2:32:50 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

I’m sure there have been numerous accounts of foreigners trying to get on state ballots to run for POTUS. No doubt most were removed.

I would think that anyone running for President that has been removed from the ballot because their records were requested by the Sec. of State could easily sue on the grounds that other candidates like Barack Hussein Obama was not vetted at all.

All you need is fifty illegal aliens or naturalized citizens to apply to get their name on their state’s ballot. If removed, they sue under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. “no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”

Chump change to make a huge change. Change we can believe in. Barry either coughs up his bona fides or is removed from the ballot.

Biggest Scandal, Crisis, Story in American History.


8 posted on 11/19/2010 2:43:41 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: bushpilot1

Agreed, but no need to change any law. It is there.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 2:45:41 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: Electric Graffiti
"I would think that anyone running for President that has been removed from the ballot because their records were requested by the Sec. of State could easily sue on the grounds that other candidates like Barack Hussein Obama was not vetted at all."

Wild thought here.

If everything obama signed and forced into law was nullified then they couldn't sue.

Then again, who would they sue? We The People have no standing when it pertains to the eligibility issue. There is no one responsible for vetting. Them suing will get them as far as it took us. Numerous court cases and no standing.

10 posted on 11/19/2010 2:56:09 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: bushpilot1
When do we get to try them for treason? And how?
If that many judges are corrupt, it's going to be tough to have a trial!

What is the legal way to get rid of these haters of our country as prescribed by the Constitution?

11 posted on 11/19/2010 3:03:21 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Isn’t the Secratary of State in charge of gathering the relevent information about the candidates running for state and federal offices?

Just one person per state is all that’s needed to apply for the office of the President of the United States. Apply under the Nazi Party USA. Don’t fill out any personal details......when asked for the information, reply that it is discriminatory to ask for personal information unrelated to the office. Like where I was born and such things. If you get bumped from the ballot -—sue the Sec of State. I’m sure the liberal judges heads would explode on appeal because they want foreigners to run.....LMAO.

The stink would certainly rise quickly......If anybody covered the story.


12 posted on 11/19/2010 3:17:18 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Barack Obama had to sign a statement swearing that he was a natural born citizen in order to get on the primary election ballot in Arizona. Here’s a link to a scanned copy of his sworn statement:
http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf

Any prosecuting attorney in Arizona could use that Candidate Nomination Paper to launch a Grand Jury investigation with subpoena power. If Barack Hussein Obama II is found not to be a “natural born citizen of the United States” he could be indicted for election fraud which constitutes a “high crime/misdemeanor”


13 posted on 11/19/2010 3:29:19 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Along with the DNC officers and state Democratic party officials:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/DNCFraud.htm


14 posted on 11/19/2010 3:49:22 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: bushpilot1
The framers never intended a quote “national citizenship” to be instituted because that would centralize the power & usurp the sovereign states as England did under feudal law. US citizenship was to be defined according to the sovereign citizenship laws of the states. If you were not a citizen of one of the states, you were an alien and therefore not eligible for "national political citizenship".

And yet at the time of the adoption of the present constitution the sense of nationality had not sufficiently developed to permit the statement of the ultimate and inevitable conclusion, that every citizen of the Union is primarily a citizen of the United States, and not merely of one of the states which compose them. The one particular in which the first confederation rose above the older Teutonic leagues after which it had been patterned was embodied in the new principle of interstate citizenship which it originated. Section one of article four of the articles of confederation provided that, “ The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this Union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states.&rdquodquo; The substance of that provision was reproduced in section two of article four of the present constitution which provides that, “ The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.” Beyond that point the framers of the more perfect union were not prepared to go. They did not attempt to do more than establish an interstate citizenship to which they imparted the qualities of uniformity and equality by denying to every state the right to discriminate in favor of its own citizens as against those of any other state.

The Origin and Growth of the English Constitution: The making of the ... By Hannis Taylor

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA75&dq=citizenship+defined&ei=LZzmTM25BamBnAeG-MiTDQ&ct=result&id=5Sw0AAAAIAAJ#v=onepage&q=citizenship%20defined&f=false

History of federal government: from the foundation of the Achaian league to ... By Edward Augustus Freeman

http://books.google.com/books?id=8fvOAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Freeman,+Federal+Government&hl=en&ei=hAfnTM2sC9uLnAfryeXuDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

15 posted on 11/19/2010 3:52:55 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: Beckwith

Along with the DNC officers and state Democratic party officials:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/DNCFraud.htm


That’s much less likely in Hawai’i than it is in Arizona. Even with a Republican Governor and a Republican Attorney General, the state of Hawai’i has backed Obama’s eligibility 100% and now Obama’s closest political friend in Hawai’i, Neil Abercrombie is the new Democrat Governor as of December 6th, forget getting any thing useful out of Hawai’i.


16 posted on 11/19/2010 3:55:05 PM PST by jamese777
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

No, just shouldn’t be in office.


17 posted on 11/19/2010 4:34:44 PM PST by Jim 0216
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"forget getting any thing useful out of Hawai’i.

That's an understatement!


18 posted on 11/19/2010 4:35:20 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: PATRIOT1876
What is the legal way to get rid of these haters of our country as prescribed by the Constitution?

What we have learned is that, at least in the near term, two to four years, not coincidentally the terms of our U.S. Representatives, we can dramatically change our legislators. The House is still the most important branch of our government. We now realize that federal judges, political appointees, are extensions of the Legislative Branch. We also see the frailty of separation of powers. Supreme Court justices may be able to hide behind the charter of their institution as an appeals court, but if they have violated their oaths, they can be removed. If the Constitutional presidential eligibility requirements are upheld, regardless of when, Obama's two Supreme Court appointments are moot. Kagan certainly knows this, and Sotomayor may as well. Both profess belief in a "living Constitution." But they were not appointed by a President.

I absolutely agree. We must remove them if we can. They are ignoring the Constitution, probably afraid of the power of current group, which has installed a pro-terrorist Attorney General, and to which our field grade military officers, have acquiesced. We have a few with courage, former Congressman, now Georgia Governor, Nathan Deal, who dealt and immediately faced the House Ethics committee, which had dug out his tax return to find some charges with which to bankrupt him.

We'll see who comes clean during the next few months. Justice Thomas was honest about the “evasion” of the Supreme Court. We don't need a “cultural revolution” but we do need a political revolution. The Senators who opened the door to the skilled gangsters in Alaska must all go.
The payoffs to unions in California and Nevada and Alaska must be stopped and those states weaned from payoffs.

The Republican party has shown its colors. There is no reason to fund it. Ruling Class Republicans are beholden to lobbyists. If the parties want to redeem themselves there is a role they can play, and have thus far mostly avoided, in validating our elections. This isn't the place to examine what they can do, but they have the organization to clean out the cesspool more and more overseen by the SEIU and Secretaries of State who are now being shepherded by Soros’ SOS project.

“Make a list” is the mantra. Call it what we will, a public list will put legislators on notice that we are still a government of the people and by the people. November 2 was the beginning. Voter fraud very likely prevented us from owning the Senate as well, but we will have the Senate by 2012.

We need to decide which issues are most important, and make a list of legislators and judges with their major positions available on the Internet while we still can - the FCC is moving to close that loophole to free speech. The Constitution is being ignored. We'll soon see the loss of which provision arouses the public most: 2nd Amendment? 1st Amendment? Article II section 1 was too obscure to raise the concerns of many, providing the cover for the majority who found it easier to ignore presidential eligibility than deal with the certain screams of ‘racist.”

As we slip past 15% ‘official’ unemployment in many of our districts, internal peace will become more of an issue. Our military enlisted salaries are locked at the poverty level upon the recommendation of Andy Stern, former SEIU president - the most frequent vistor to Obama according to published sign-in records. Our government is headed by Socialist/Marxist/Communist union officials. They appear to want internal strife. We must starve them. Their power is now based upon government service - they helped to destroy the productive smokestack industries which were their base. They only consume productivity.

Businesses are fleeing California, even business which appear to still have California headquarters. Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, and a few other states will not accept IOU’s for the power they sell to California. California can't sell bonds to float its state employee retirement funds. The teat for the $150k State EPA employees and the tens of thousands of federal agency lawyers and their support staffs will run dry soon, and the fight over scraps will need to run its course. I know and like some of those lawyers, but their jobs are already disappearing. Capitalism will adapt, but we must identify and remove the enablers of parasites. The average salaries of federal employees, even discounting benefits, is about twice the average salaries in the private sector. In a free society that is unsustainable.

That is why the state-run media are so frightened of “Tea Parties.” They first attacked the “Birthers.” Alinsky’s rules are effective. Alinsky’s first rule “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have,” is worth remembering. Owning the major media has made the far left appear to be much more powerful than they are numerically. We are a majority. Don't believe anything they say and pay attention to what they do. We must starve legislators of our productivity which they live to direct to their patrons, and replace them with patriots.

19 posted on 11/19/2010 5:00:24 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: bushpilot1

Would you cite where the Supreme Court has said Vattel’s Law of Nations is the law of the land?


20 posted on 11/19/2010 5:07:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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